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    Penalties

    The thing that frustrated me most about last season was the shear amount of penalties that were getting called on us. I don't know if it was just a one year problem of everyone figuringout the new systems, or whether it's more serious than that. I went through the play by plays on NFL.com and logged this info. This is just the penalties that cost us yards.

    worst offenders - number of times flagged
    1. K. Williams: 7 penalties for 32 yards.
    1. B. McKinnie: 7 penalties for 60 yards.
    3. M. Johnson: 6 penalties for 50 yards.
    4. T. Taylor: 5 penalties for 45 yards.
    4. K. Udeze: 5 penalties for 26 yards.
    4. F. Smoot: 5 penalties for 48 yards.
    7. R. Whitaker: 4 penalties for 23 yards.
    7. R. Cook: 4 penalties for 21 yards.
    7. M. Rosenthal: 4 penalties for 25 yards.
    7. C. Griffin: 4 penalties for 28 yards.
    7. M. Birk: 4 penalties for 25 yards.
    7. A. Hicks: 4 penalties for 30 yards.
    7. B. Leber: 4 penalties for 30 yards.
    7. J. Whittle: 4 penalties for 19 yards.

    Worst offenders - Number of Yards penalized
    1. B. McKinnie: 7 penalties for 60 yards.
    2. M. Johnson: 6 penalties for 50 yards.
    3. F. Smoot: 5 penalties for 48 yards.
    4. T. Taylor: 5 penalties for 45 yards.
    5. B. Johnson: 3 penalties for 33 yards.
    6. K. Williams: 7 penalties for 32 yards.
    7. B. Leber: 4 penalties for 30 yards.
    7. A. Hicks: 4 penalties for 30 yards.
    7. G. Blue: 3 penalties for 30 yards.
    7. D. Smith: 2 penalties for 30 yards.

    Worst position groups
    1. OL: 36 penalties for 255 yards. (28.2% of all penalty yards)
    2. DL: 22 penalties for 138 yards. (15.3% of all penalty yards)
    3. LB: 14 penalties for 107 yards. (11.8% of all penalty yards)
    4. CB: 13 penalties for 99 yards. (11.0% of all penalty yards)
    5. WR: 11 penalties for 85 yards. (9.4% of all penalty yards)

    Penalties by down
    1. First Down: 40 penalties for 286 yards.
    2. Second Down: 28 penalties for 215 yards.
    3. Third Down: 23 penalties for 164 yards.
    4. Fourth Down: 18 penalties for 134 yards.
    (10 on punts, 5 on punt returns, 2 on the offense when we were going for it, and 1 on a field goal)
    5. Kick Ret.: 7 penalties for 64 yards.
    6. Kickoff: 5 penalties for 35 yards.
    7. 2pt Conv.: 1 penalties for 5 yards.

    Most Frequently called penalties
    1. False Start: 27 penalties for 134 yards.
    2. Holding: 26 penalties for 238 yards.
    3. Offside: 9 penalties for 43 yards.
    4. Pass Interference: 8 penalties for 88 yards.
    5. Roughing the Passer: 5 penalties for 68 yards.
    5. Illeagal Block above the waist: 5 penalties for 45 yards.
    5. Encroachment: 5 penalties for 25 yards.
    8. Face Mask (5 Yard): 3 penalties for 11 yards.
    8. Delay of Game: 3 penalties for 15 yards.
    8. Illeagal Contact: 3 penalties for 15 yards.
    8. Intentional Grounding: 3 penalties for 33 yards.

    Penalties by Quarter
    1. Second Quarter: 42 penalties for 324 yards.
    2. Third Quarter: 31 penalties for 242 yards.
    3. Fourth Quarter: 28 penalties for 182 yards.
    4. First Quarter: 21 penalties for 155 yards.


    I captured the raw information in a spreadsheet, so if anyone wants a copy, PM me your email address.

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    Re: Penalties

    Good post. Alot of effort. (figured id bump it back up so it doesn't go unnoticed)

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    Re: Penalties

    "josdin00" wrote:


    Penalties by Quarter
    1. Second Quarter: 42 penalties for 324 yards.
    2. Third Quarter: 31 penalties for 242 yards.
    3. Fourth Quarter: 28 penalties for 182 yards.
    4. First Quarter: 21 penalties for 155 yards.

    I wonder why we get sloppier at the end of the 1st half? Do the vikings just get lazy? The penalties doubled going from the 1st quarter to the 2nd! On both the 2nd and 3rd quarters there's a reason there's such a large surge of penalties, while the 1st and 4th are tolerable.

    I just wonder how this compares to other team's penalties...

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    That was an amazing post.
    Only way it could have been better is if you had how mand times we were taken out of the red zone or out of scoring position because of them.

    Must have taken alot of time though in the first place, Great Job!!!

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    Re: Penalties

    yeah penalties was a big problem the O-line mainly.
    a big chuck of the penalty pie goes to those guys. but no matter what I honestly think refs go out of their way to try and screw over the vikes anyway but that alone is another story.
    just saying the zebras dont really see everything on the field.
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    Re: Penalties

    "josdin00" wrote:
    The thing that frustrated me most about last season was the shear amount of penalties that were getting called on us. I don't know if it was just a one year problem of everyone figuringout the new systems, or whether it's more serious than that. I went through the play by plays on NFL.com and logged this info. This is just the penalties that cost us yards.
    Wow, Josdin - great stuff.

    Pokes a couple holes into Del's contention that Birk was getting called for tons of penalties last year.


    Glad to see that the best player on the team, Antoine Winfield, doesn't get flagged too often.

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    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: Penalties

    "vikes09" wrote:
    "josdin00" wrote:


    Penalties by Quarter
    1. Second Quarter: 42 penalties for 324 yards.
    2. Third Quarter: 31 penalties for 242 yards.
    3. Fourth Quarter: 28 penalties for 182 yards.
    4. First Quarter: 21 penalties for 155 yards.

    I wonder why we get sloppier at the end of the 1st half? Do the vikings just get lazy? The penalties doubled going from the 1st quarter to the 2nd! On both the 2nd and 3rd quarters there's a reason there's such a large surge of penalties, while the 1st and 4th are tolerable.

    I just wonder how this compares to other team's penalties...
    I guess it's not allowed just to play the first and fourth quarter.

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    "vikes09" wrote:
    "josdin00" wrote:


    Penalties by Quarter
    1. Second Quarter: 42 penalties for 324 yards.
    2. Third Quarter: 31 penalties for 242 yards.
    3. Fourth Quarter: 28 penalties for 182 yards.
    4. First Quarter: 21 penalties for 155 yards.

    I wonder why we get sloppier at the end of the 1st half? Do the vikings just get lazy? The penalties doubled going from the 1st quarter to the 2nd! On both the 2nd and 3rd quarters there's a reason there's such a large surge of penalties, while the 1st and 4th are tolerable.

    I just wonder how this compares to other team's penalties...
    There is no statistically significant difference in penalties in the 2nd qtr.
    The mean is 30.5 per qtr.
    Std deviation = 8.7.
    Variance of 2nd qtr from mean relative to Std Devn = (42-30.5) / 8.7 = 1.32, which is not statistically significant ( <2 ).

    Translation, you could easily say the 1st qtr seems very low, as it is (21-30.5)/ 8.7 = .98, which is a little less variant from the mean than the 2nd qtr.

    122 total penalties for the year is bad.
    The best teams commit 80-90, and the worst teams are around 120-140, IIRC.

    No, I don't have a link; I am going from memory of total penalty count stats for a season.


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    http://www.nfl.com/stats

    click the 'penalties' stat link....
    When we stop to think about it, most folks behavior isn't perplexing after all !

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    Re: Penalties

    3. Third Down: 23 penalties for 164 yards.
    I know it's a lot lower than the 1st and 2nd down penalties, but this is the one that's inexcusable to me, regardless of which side of the ball you're on. It doesn't matter whether it resulted in the other team's offense getting a 1st down or a short 3rd, or whether it resulted in your offense having a short 3rd down undone. Penalties on 3rd down are abysmal.

    Now when I think back to all the 3rd down dump off passes last year, I wonder how many could have been 1st downs, if it weren't for these stupid penalites.

    Excellent post Josdin!

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    Re: Penalties

    It would behoove the Vikings to reduce their offsides and holding penalties by 50%.

    That would reduce the penalty count by 26 or 27, leaving them at 97 - 98 total penalties, which is about avg for the NFL.

    The other penalty types do not seem excessive, so reducing those would be difficult to do.
    When we stop to think about it, most folks behavior isn't perplexing after all !

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