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    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    As a pass rusher, Williams offers practically nothing. In fact, in a study yours truly conducted, Williams generated a quarterback pressure on just 1.16% of the 259 times he rushed the passer; the worst number of all defensive tackles who rushed the passer at least 200 times.

    Accepting the idea that hes not a pass rusher, his defensive stops number must be high given how disruptive he is the run game, right? Not quite. In 2010, with 18 defensive stops, Williams finished a mediocre 36th of all defensive tackles.

    What Williams offers is far more than anything that shows up on a stat sheet.
    A big and powerful defensive tackle, Williams is capable of stacking up linemen, plugging holes, and is surprisingly effective at chasing down runners along the line. The point being that when you try to run at Pat Williams hes still good enough to make that decision look foolish in a variety of ways.

    The list of offensive guards and centers this year that were left dealing with this is as extensive as it is impressive.
    As youd expect, Williams is getting older and isnt quite playing at his Pro Bowl level of 2009. During that season, he was he was our 2nd ranked defensive tackle in run defense. He dropped to 11th in 2010, although, interestingly, he did play more snaps.

    In fact, last year saw Williams increase his amount of regular season snaps by 12.63% on his 2009 total. A significant amount, and one that would help explain why Williams had such a mediocre finish to 2010; only one game tagged with a strongly positive grade in the final six weeks of the season.
    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.

    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098856
    As a pass rusher, Williams offers practically nothing. In fact, in a study yours truly conducted, Williams generated a quarterback pressure on just 1.16% of the 259 times he rushed the passer; the worst number of all defensive tackles who rushed the passer at least 200 times.

    Accepting the idea that hes not a pass rusher, his defensive stops number must be high given how disruptive he is the run game, right? Not quite. In 2010, with 18 defensive stops, Williams finished a mediocre 36th of all defensive tackles.

    What Williams offers is far more than anything that shows up on a stat sheet.
    A big and powerful defensive tackle, Williams is capable of stacking up linemen, plugging holes, and is surprisingly effective at chasing down runners along the line. The point being that when you try to run at Pat Williams hes still good enough to make that decision look foolish in a variety of ways.

    The list of offensive guards and centers this year that were left dealing with this is as extensive as it is impressive.
    As youd expect, Williams is getting older and isnt quite playing at his Pro Bowl level of 2009. During that season, he was he was our 2nd ranked defensive tackle in run defense. He dropped to 11th in 2010, although, interestingly, he did play more snaps.

    In fact, last year saw Williams increase his amount of regular season snaps by 12.63% on his 2009 total. A significant amount, and one that would help explain why Williams had such a mediocre finish to 2010; only one game tagged with a strongly positive grade in the final six weeks of the season.
    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.

    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
    Doubt he'll be willing to do either. Pat has a lot of pride.

    I personally think that he is a great assett on the line - he plugs holes and eats linemen (Which allows ray Edwards to have opportunities :whistle: ), but I don't think he can maintain for a full season any more.

    He's going to be tough to replace.

    Caine

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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098856
    As a pass rusher, Williams offers practically nothing. In fact, in a study yours truly conducted, Williams generated a quarterback pressure on just 1.16% of the 259 times he rushed the passer; the worst number of all defensive tackles who rushed the passer at least 200 times.

    Accepting the idea that hes not a pass rusher, his defensive stops number must be high given how disruptive he is the run game, right? Not quite. In 2010, with 18 defensive stops, Williams finished a mediocre 36th of all defensive tackles.

    What Williams offers is far more than anything that shows up on a stat sheet.
    A big and powerful defensive tackle, Williams is capable of stacking up linemen, plugging holes, and is surprisingly effective at chasing down runners along the line. The point being that when you try to run at Pat Williams hes still good enough to make that decision look foolish in a variety of ways.

    The list of offensive guards and centers this year that were left dealing with this is as extensive as it is impressive.
    As youd expect, Williams is getting older and isnt quite playing at his Pro Bowl level of 2009. During that season, he was he was our 2nd ranked defensive tackle in run defense. He dropped to 11th in 2010, although, interestingly, he did play more snaps.

    In fact, last year saw Williams increase his amount of regular season snaps by 12.63% on his 2009 total. A significant amount, and one that would help explain why Williams had such a mediocre finish to 2010; only one game tagged with a strongly positive grade in the final six weeks of the season.
    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.
    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
    He did miss a game against the Bears in 09 and did play all the games in 2010 and if you go back and look at 2008 he missed 2 games with the broken scapula so its not the surprising to get more snaps in 2010 when you're there for the entire season compared with the 2 previous seasons.

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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Pat was a stalwart in the run game and if we ran a 3-4 I could see him being elite but what our team needs right now is a guy who can put pressure on the QB and Pat is not that guy. Will we drop in our rankings against the run? Yes. But if we can get back to where we no longer make every QB look like a HOF, especially with the way our division is trending offensively we need to do what we can to make it happen. I can see having a guy like that for goal line situations possibly but I really want to see us get smaller, faster and younger in the interior of the DL.

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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098882
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098856
    As a pass rusher, Williams offers practically nothing. In fact, in a study yours truly conducted, Williams generated a quarterback pressure on just 1.16% of the 259 times he rushed the passer; the worst number of all defensive tackles who rushed the passer at least 200 times.

    Accepting the idea that hes not a pass rusher, his defensive stops number must be high given how disruptive he is the run game, right? Not quite. In 2010, with 18 defensive stops, Williams finished a mediocre 36th of all defensive tackles.

    What Williams offers is far more than anything that shows up on a stat sheet.
    A big and powerful defensive tackle, Williams is capable of stacking up linemen, plugging holes, and is surprisingly effective at chasing down runners along the line. The point being that when you try to run at Pat Williams hes still good enough to make that decision look foolish in a variety of ways.

    The list of offensive guards and centers this year that were left dealing with this is as extensive as it is impressive.
    As youd expect, Williams is getting older and isnt quite playing at his Pro Bowl level of 2009. During that season, he was he was our 2nd ranked defensive tackle in run defense. He dropped to 11th in 2010, although, interestingly, he did play more snaps.

    In fact, last year saw Williams increase his amount of regular season snaps by 12.63% on his 2009 total. A significant amount, and one that would help explain why Williams had such a mediocre finish to 2010; only one game tagged with a strongly positive grade in the final six weeks of the season.
    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.

    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
    Doubt he'll be willing to do either. Pat has a lot of pride.

    I personally think that he is a great assett on the line - he plugs holes and eats linemen (Which allows ray Edwards to have opportunities :whistle: ), but I don't think he can maintain for a full season any more.

    He's going to be tough to replace.

    Caine
    Good points, and I agree on all of them. Problem is, although he can plug up the run, the pocket sure doesn't get collapsed much anymore.

    Worst thing the type of defense we run world, no pressure up the middle allowing the QB to simply step up and away from the outside rush.
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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1098893
    Pat was a stalwart in the run game and if we ran a 3-4 I could see him being elite but what our team needs right now is a guy who can put pressure on the QB and Pat is not that guy. Will we drop in our rankings against the run? Yes. But if we can get back to where we no longer make every QB look like a HOF, especially with the way our division is trending offensively we need to do what we can to make it happen. I can see having a guy like that for goal line situations possibly but I really want to see us get smaller, faster and younger in the interior of the DL.
    [strike]Well said[/strike] Adequately articulated my friend.

    Again, I would love to see him stay on, but only in a role were he is coming into games were they need to shut down the run with someone else eating up the primary snaps in our base defense as well as passing downs.

    Like Whinny, I think he is a liability in the passing game.
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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1098891
    He did miss a game against the Bears in 09 and did play all the games in 2010 and if you go back and look at 2008 he missed 2 games with the broken scapula so its not the surprising to get more snaps in 2010 when you're there for the entire season compared with the 2 previous seasons.
    Good points.

    Still, all in all I would have thought his snaps would have been down last year.

    I think I am going to add another column to my game chart (number of snaps). Might make it to busy, but I will see if it works out.
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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098856
    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.

    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
    +1

    Would love to see him back here, think he could really help out the young guys.

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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098856
    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.

    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
    +1

    Would love to see him back here, think he could really help out the young guys.
    I hear ya my friend but not in the "Help" area.

    You know my traditional reply to that type of comment...."Coaches Coach/Players Play".

    Besides, if he was gonna help, one would think that Guion would have been a bit more capable than he has over his short tenure.
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    Re: Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1098965
    Quote Originally Posted by "Johnson14" #1098944
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    Pat Williams: A 38-Year-Old Solution

    I actually found it interesting that he took more snaps this year than last.

    Again, I love the big guy and would love to see him back, but only if he is willing to cede reps to the younger guys and is willing to take a big pay cut.
    +1

    Would love to see him back here, think he could really help out the young guys.
    I hear ya my friend but not in the "Help" area.

    You know my traditional reply to that type of comment...."Coaches Coach/Players Play".

    Besides, if he was gonna help, one would think that Guion would have been a bit more capable than he has over his short tenure.
    turned a 6th round raw rookie into a guy you seem to want to start. Not sure how you can say Pat did or didn't help. You have no basis whatsoever for that comment.

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