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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakout View Post
    Anyone playing behind our offensive line would be injury prone. Brett Favre was known as an ironman before he landed behind our joke of a line. Then we went and cut McKinnie and made it even worse.
    Cutting McKinnie didn't make things worse, McKinnie got better after we cut him. He pulled his head out - briefly - but he'll slide back down again...wait and see.

    Our situation was made worse by our inability to land a solid LT, or a solid RT, or a solid G, or find complimentary receivers, or find Secondary help. We signed a lot of place fillers, but no real talent.

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    I think RGIII would be an exciting pick, but what would we do with Ponder? He's only had 1 year and that is NEVER enough time to completely judge a QB. If he had 3 or 4 years under his belt and played like he did this year then yah, take RGIII but right now I'd much prefer to trade down to the Skins or Browns if he's still on the board and solidify our OL and D. I want to see some real offensive talent around Ponder before I jump off the bandwagon. I really think he can be a great QB if he just has some time to throw.
    I am NOT here to provide good football insight or rational observations. I am an emotional 19 year old Viking fan and I expect you to adjust your expectations from my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Cutting McKinnie didn't make things worse, McKinnie got better after we cut him. He pulled his head out - briefly - but he'll slide back down again...wait and see.

    Our situation was made worse by our inability to land a solid LT, or a solid RT, or a solid G, or find complimentary receivers, or find Secondary help. We signed a lot of place fillers, but no real talent.

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    What crazy logic.

    Cutting McKinnie led to us signing a worse player. It is that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakout View Post
    What crazy logic.

    Cutting McKinnie led to us signing a worse player. It is that simple.
    Stop making excuses, their are teams with worst OLs and their QBs aren't getting knocked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freakout View Post
    What crazy logic.

    Cutting McKinnie led to us signing a worse player. It is that simple.
    What should we have done? Continued to allow McKinnie to half-ass his way through another season? Continued to allow a guy who showed up GROSSLY overweight soak up cap space while underperforming? Or are you going to try and sell me on the notion that "Pro Bowl Left Tackle" Bryant McKinnie was a solid player in his last few seasons here?

    We cut McKinnie because he was a worthless pile of goo who had underperformed season after season. His fat ass was on cruise control. We signed Charlie Johnson because he was all that was available in the 11th hour.

    When McKinnie got picked up by Baltimore, I'm fairly certain that he was snapped back into the reality that he had to perform in order to keep his job. That lead to a return to better form...but Bryant, having demonstrated a proclivity towards laziness, will likely return to his slack-assed ways and become a blight on the Ravens O-Line...much like he was here.

    So, that said, what options did we have? We could have kept the human turnstile....and our end result would have been the same. Or, we could have cut him and attempted to replace him...which we did. Which LT's did YOU think were better options?

    Fact is, as bad as Johnson played, it wasn't far off from the level that McKinnie had been giving us. Will we seek to replace Johnson this season? I certainly hope so. But pointing to THIS as a reason for the Vikings failure is inaccurate. McKinnie brought this on himself. He left the team no choice. It's THAT simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12purplepride28 View Post
    I think RGIII would be an exciting pick, but what would we do with Ponder? He's only had 1 year and that is NEVER enough time to completely judge a QB. If he had 3 or 4 years under his belt and played like he did this year then yah, take RGIII but right now I'd much prefer to trade down to the Skins or Browns if he's still on the board and solidify our OL and D. I want to see some real offensive talent around Ponder before I jump off the bandwagon. I really think he can be a great QB if he just has some time to throw.
    What we do with Ponder is we create a QB competition between them....then we keep the better one and offer the other as trade bait. This can either work wonderfully (Like Flynn in GB or Kolb in Philly) or it can blow up in our face (Like Quinn and Anderson in Cleveland).

    Chances are, however, that having 2 excellent prospects on our roster will result in us having a solid QB for the future.

    That doesn't mean we don't need a new LT....we do....but I think that you build around a QB first. And if RGIII is can be better than Ponder, go get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I want badly to believe that we did the right thing on selecting this guy 12th overall I just have serious concerns on his ability to hold up. Look at his injuries in 3 consecutive years.

    Junior year - Throwing Shoulder injury
    Senior year - Elbow injuries
    Rookie season - 3 different serious injuries including Hip, Concussion and Hip again.

    I just don't know if this guy is capable of being the guy for 8 years or more.
    Because of this I really want us to swallow our pride, take the media firestorm and draft Robert Griffin.
    Capable of sub 4.4 speed, Rocket for an arm and compact throwing motion (except when deep), he is the best QB we will have a shot at for years. He is super intelligent, can read defenses and is very careful with the ball. Simply put he should be the #1 pick ahead of Luck but that bandwagon is out of control. Picture Vick, minus the off field drama, with the brain of an Oxford graduate, and the passing poise of Montana. This pick at #3 will define this franchise for another decade and we will be kicking ourselves if we mess this up. In a league driven by the passing game, why we seem to be ok with "good enough" as opposed to an excellent Qb, is beyond me. Other needs be damned, this kid was on team devoid of talent minus a 1st round WR and he lead them to a bowl game and bowl victory. Draft Griffin and trade Ponder for a 2nd or 3rd to the Bills, Skins, Cards, and or Browns.

    I don't care what system you play in 4000+ yards throwing, 37tds and 6 ints, while completing 72% of his passes is obscene.

    Baylor's Robert Griffin III: 2011 Heisman Trophy Winner & Most Exciting Player in the Country! - YouTube
    If you don't care what system someone plays and only care about numbers ... then why aren't we taking Kellen Moore No. 3? Numbers in college don't mean a damn thing ... that is why.

    That said ... I would have no problem with taking RGIII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    If you don't care what system someone plays and only care about numbers ... then why aren't we taking Kellen Moore No. 3? Numbers in college don't mean a damn thing ... that is why.

    That said ... I would have no problem with taking RGIII.
    You mistook my statement for saying nothing else matters like..... talent. Moore simply doesn't have the arm strength or talent to play in the pros. We are talking about elite talent here. So my statement about the system is more about comparing Luck to Griffin. His spread offense experience is used to discount his numbers which are gaudy.

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    I'm completely ok with drafting Griffin. The kids a player, and he'll be a staple in the NFL for years to come.

    That said, I'm not sure if Ponder is so much injury prone as he would be if he didn't get the David Carr treatment from our OLine. Kevon has a legit concern about his durability, though.

    I'm in the same camp as the poster that said that he was ok with drafting any of the top 4 projected guys. We need help at WR, OL, DB, so any of the top players in those respective positions will be a plus (Blackmon, Kalil, either of the top CBs from LSU/Bama).

    My main concern about this draft is the middle/late rounds were we seem to miss. Those are the rounds were good and great NFL teams use to fill out their depth with capable players that fit in the scheme, and I haven't seen any of that from the ToA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Stop making excuses, their are teams with worst OLs and their QBs aren't getting knocked out.
    Please, provide 1 example. Just 1.
    Trying to bring rationale to an irrational site

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