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    Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

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    ...In five games, an opposing tight end has either led his team or been tied for the team lead in receptions on four occasions....

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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    I'm willing to bet that in every game there is some asshat in some position that leads the team in receptions.
    Regardless of the outcome.
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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    The article is great and makes a great point.
    Do you give up a catch to a TE who can be chased down in the open field or give up a catch to a WR who can go the distance.


    People have to remember too....if an offense executes, even with inferior players, they will usually have the advantage over a defense, even if it has superior players.
    Because the offense knows how its going to move and the defense is dong their best to guess.
    So it pretty much impossible to cover every receiver perfectly every play.
    You'd have to be a freakin psychic.

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    Tough FF Player start for me this week.
    Heap or Shank?
    I expect both to get between 5 to 7 receptions and probably a TD each.....
    Never done it before, but this may call for a Purple Coin Toss.



    What I'de really like us to do is key our LB on the TE and shadow him.
    Something I don't see us doing on a regular basis.
    Heap is a very good TE, and I also expect to see alot of him this Sunday.
    Let's just hope we are all over him...


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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    This is something that most folks who play FF already knows.
    The Vikings have always struggled to stop opposing TE's.
    I knew Finley was gonna kill us.
    We made him look like Shannon Sharpe.


    This mostly stems from the scheme we run.
    The Cover2 is susceptible to seam and sit down routes which are mostly run by TE's.
    EJ is not as good in coverage as he is against the run.
    On top of that, TJ needs to get better at defending those seam routes.
    I am almost sure the V. Davis show was mostly on him.


    Ned, Its extremely hard to predict TDs for players.
    Obviously the TE who actually gets in the end zone will probably out score the other.
    However, Heap will get more looks and touches; as I think Mason and Heap will have productive days on Sunday.
    Shank on the other hand will be battling Berrian, Rice, Harvin and Chester for looks.
    So far, Berrian is #1 and Chester is #2 in looks for the Vikings...
    I would start Heap.

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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    start heap to be on the safe side.
    If you start heap, that means he's going to do nothing, and the Vikings will win. It will hurt you in FF, but help us win the game.

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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    start heap to be on the safe side.
    If you start heap, that means he's going to do nothing, and the Vikings will win. It will hurt you in FF, but help us win the game.

    I hedge my bets like that with FF all the time

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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    "NordicNed" wrote:

    Tough FF Player start for me this week.

    Heap or Shank?

    I expect both to get between 5 to 7 receptions and probably a TD each.....
    Never done it before, but this may call for a Purple Coin Toss.




    What I'de really like us to do is key our LB on the TE and shadow him.
    Something I don't see us doing on a regular basis.

    Heap is a very good TE, and I also expect to see alot of him this Sunday.
    Let's just hope we are all over him...
    I would say that hell about freezes over before I will start anyone against the Vikes....real football before fantasy in my books.
    Takes away any small conflict of interest or joy I may feel if someone does well against my beloved Vikes

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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    Why is it a choice between the TE's or WR's?
    If the safeties are playing so far back that they can't cover the TE in the middle, their must be little faith in the CB's being able to cover one on one.

    Giving up the TE, just allows the QB to easily get rid of the ball before the DL gets to him.
    If there is at least some coverage, the QB might hold the ball for an extra second, which is all the DL needs in most cases.

    Sure a deep throw to a WR might be a TD, but if the pressure is close it could be a INT too.
    But if the TE is wide open, like the Vikes have been leaving him, it's a no brainer to get the first down, before the sack.
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    Re: Opposing tight ends giving Vikings defense fits

    Maybe it's a little overconfidence, as well?

    I mean, I recall seeing Greenway or Finley. Finley's no star by any means, but he is one of the most athletic and fastest tight ends in the league. Same goes for the always underachieving Vernon Davis. With the way you've been stopping the run, you could easily get into some more nickel formations against base offenses to get a corner on a tight end when you play man.

    "seaniemck7" wrote:
    This is something that most folks who play FF already knows.
    The Vikings have always struggled to stop opposing TE's.
    I knew Finley was gonna kill us.
    We made him look like Shannon Sharpe.


    This mostly stems from the scheme we run.
    The Cover2 is susceptible to seam and sit down routes which are mostly run by TE's.
    EJ is not as good in coverage as he is against the run.
    On top of that, TJ needs to get better at defending those seam routes.
    I am almost sure the V. Davis show was mostly on him.


    Ned, Its extremely hard to predict TDs for players.
    Obviously the TE who actually gets in the end zone will probably out score the other.
    However, Heap will get more looks and touches; as I think Mason and Heap will have productive days on Sunday.
    Shank on the other hand will be battling Berrian, Rice, Harvin and Chester for looks.
    So far, Berrian is #1 and Chester is #2 in looks for the Vikings...
    I would start Heap.
    Great post. I recall Rodgers hitting Finley right between the safeties. Some bad tackling later and he was in the end-zone.

    It's working, though. You're keeping receivers down by having safety help over the top. Maybe it's just the best of two bads. I mean, I know I would call for safety help against the Packers. Doesn't explain the 49ers game, though, for instance.
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