Thread: Ola -- Bandwagon fan here with questions on the Vikes..

"Swamination" wrote:

Hey Falling Alice, welcome to Minnesota! Here are how I see things:

1.) Tice is not a terrible coach as everyone thinks he is. He seems just fine with me, but right now he isn't a premiere coach at all. But that makes it cool because he still is down to earth. People see him all the time over in Edina just minding his business.

See, this is fascinating to me. With all the talk anymore about how important it is to have a "premier" coach if you want to win, I would think that this assessment would be really damning of the guy.

But... do you all think that the talent level on the Vikes is so high that it can overcome middling coaching?

Or do you think that having a premier coach is not all that important?

Or do you like the idea of winning a championship, but don't find it so important that a man should be sacrificed for the goal?

I ask because already the cultural differences between Pats and Vikes fans are becoming so incredibly clear to me now.

"GreenBaySlackers" wrote:

"FallingAlice" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

Brady is no Pep or Manning, but the guy just does not make stupid mistakes and comes through huge when it is needed the most. I give him a lot of credit and I think he is very underrated and he did take less than market value.

Well, I'll agree that Brady doesn't have Daunte Culpepper's arm or athleticism. But that's different than being a great overall quarterback. No quarterback currently playing in the NFL (including Culpepper, Manning and Favre) has done enough to even consider himself in the same class as Brady.

If anyone's overrated it's stat-hound Manning. And Favre. Favre is a lot of sound and fury -- signifying nothing.

you might just fit in around here :grin:

See! The rest of the league knows it too, why can't the freaking packer backers see it? They must be blinded by that hideous green and gold logo.

Personally id like to see Tice as an assistant coach.. And get a stellar coach like Bellichek, Reid, Parcells etc.. But Tice is an ok coach he has a nice bond with the players.. It would mess things up I think to bring in another coach too

where is it colder new england or minnesota?

"magicci" wrote:

where is it colder new england or minnesota?

Minnesota by far.

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"magicci" wrote:

where is it colder new england or minnesota?

Minnesota by far.

Most definitely Minnesota.

You get a damp cold in New England. It's a wet-cold that you can't warm up from. It permeates everything. I think the worse part about New England winters is that it's so overcast all the time.

But it's nothing like the low, low temps you get in the Midwest. (Though I hear that's changing with global warming.)

"FallingAlice" wrote:

Do any of you worry about Marty Schottenheimer syndrome in which, year after year, he's good enough to get you close but not all the way?

Before his run in New England Belichik was Shottenheimer's equal as far as success in the league. It takes time to mature as a coach, put the right staff together, build confidence in the players and the players in the system, plus injuries need to be avoided at key positions.

The injury bug bit us last year at key positions.

"FallingAlice" wrote:

do you think he has what it takes to really become a great head coach?

That's still up in the air. We love him as a personnel guy. He, and our director of scouting, Scott Studwell have led some excellent drafts recently. He could have used a few years seasoning as an O-C before becoming a head coach. Not too many coaches can make the jump from position coach to head coach and have immediate success. He's attended The School of Hard Knocks..., and he seems to learn from his mistakes.

He takes a "tough-guy" approach because this is a "tough-guy" game. That's where he gets the nickname "meat-head".

"FallingAlice" wrote:

You guys are much more positive about Tice than I expected you would be.

:lol:

"FallingAlice" wrote:

As I recall from the draft, it sounded like the Vikes were rated by most experts to have played their hand extremely well. I assume that most of your selections were made possible by the Moss trade? Did you get anything for him for next year when the draft class is supposed to be higher?

Not too much from this draft came from the Moss trade. The #7 overall, came from Oakland, which we used to take Troy Williamson. We also got linebacker Napoleon Harris, who seems like he'll be quite an asset to our defense. I think we have a seventh rounder in next years draft.

All in all, it doesn't seem like we received value for the best receiver of our time. I guess the franchise just wanted to go in a different direction. Red McCombs is an idiot, with a lot of pride. Moss just wanted to win, and he confronted the owner on how cheap he was, and how he wasn't committed to winning. Red sent him away to win somewhere else. He'll be missed (Moss not Red).

"SKOL" wrote:

"FallingAlice" wrote:

Do any of you worry about Marty Schottenheimer syndrome in which, year after year, he's good enough to get you close but not all the way?

Before his run in New England Belichik was Shottenheimer's equal as far as success in the league. It takes time to mature as a coach, put the right staff together, build confidence in the players and the players in the system, plus injuries need to be avoided at key positions.

The one thing I'd have to disagree with is this point. Belichick went into a terrible situation in Cleveland. They were an horrific team and, by all accounts, Modell acted like an idiot. Even so, Belichick managed to take them to the playoffs during his relatively brief tenure.

Schottenheimer, by comparison, has taken team upon team to the playoffs only to exit early (or earlier than expected) Cowher, who comes from the Schottenheimer tree, has a similar M.O.

Comparatively, though, Tice has inherited a team with a great deal of talent. But, obviously, he's proven to be a good personnel man (which is half the battle).

I'll try to keep an open mind about Tice.

Tice took over a terrible, talent depleted, team at the end of Dennis Green's tenure. After rebuilding, the talent is now in place, barring injury, to make a few runs at the Superbowl. It'll come down to coaching now, so we'll see if Tice can handle it.

]"FallingAlice" wrote:

Do any of you worry about Marty Schottenheimer syndrome in which, year after year, he's good enough to get you close but not all the way?

We haven't gottan very close in a while though, unfortunately.