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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
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    Which QB took their team to the playofs?
    I would say Brady, Peyton, Hasselbeck, Farve, and maybe Rivers "took their team to the playoffs."

    Roethlisberger, Eli, Garcia, Collins, and Romo were just along for the ride.
    And the Titans and Jags made it to the playoffs despite Garrard and Young.

    Again, if it is between Young and TJack, I would take TJack every time.
    The Jags Despite Garrard Are you serious? He had a great season and should of made it to the pro-bowl.
    He was arguably a top 10 QB this season. Ok I will give you Young but what about any other QB that you mentioned? Would you take TJ over any of them?Last I checked the Jaguars are what 11-4? Oh yeah I forgot the QB starting record is important when deciding how succesful a QB is. Garrard didn't show huge improvemnet when he was able to be the starter this year?Or does this only apply to defending TJ? Everyone is so TJ record is this, he showed improvemnet ect. But when it comes to another QB its not a valid argument? Huh?

    Regardless of who you whant as a QB, Young took his team to the playoffs, afterall it all about their record and how many games they won and lost as a QB right? Did Young have a bad seson hell yes. So if we are compairing season vs. Season what was TJ's? A good season? Both are young QB's, both have a lot to learn.
    Young if anything has the disadvantge of having to live up to HUGE expectations as a QB. But one thing that Yong has done is PROVEN that he has what it takes to be in the NFL, Bad season or not.
    TJ has not done that yet.
    Doesn't it talke a QB a good 3 season to develop as aQB? (another TJ argumnet)
    Alex Smith, Matt Leinhart were both injured but we they having a bad season
    before the injury. or a developing season? Why Cutler is in there is beyond me. If you want to talk about QB Comparisons based on stats I would throw Cleo Lemon in the mix. pretty much equal stats as Young and TJ but he also had a 1-15 record. (if we are going by QB success).




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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "Garland" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Garland" wrote:
    Which QB took their team to the playofs?
    I would say Brady, Peyton, Hasselbeck, Farve, and maybe Rivers "took their team to the playoffs."

    Roethlisberger, Eli, Garcia, Collins, and Romo were just along for the ride.
    And the Titans and Jags made it to the playoffs despite Garrard and Young.

    Again, if it is between Young and TJack, I would take TJack every time.
    The Jags Despite Garrard Are you serious? He had a great season and should of made it to the pro-bowl.
    He was arguably a top 10 QB this season. Ok I will give you Young but what about any other QB that you mentioned? Would you take TJ over any of them?Last I checked the Jaguars are what 11-4? Oh yeah I forgot the QB starting record is important when deciding how succesful a QB is. Garrard didn't show huge improvemnet when he was able to be the starter this year?Or does this only apply to defending TJ? Everyone is so TJ record is this, he showed improvemnet ect. But when it comes to another QB its not a valid argument? Huh?

    Regardless of who you whant as a QB, Young took his team to the playoffs, afterall it all about their record and how many games they won and lost as a QB right? Did Young have a bad seson hell yes. So if we are compairing season vs. Season what was TJ's? A good season? Both are young QB's, both have a lot to learn.
    Young if anything has the disadvantge of having to live up to HUGE expectations as a QB. But one thing that Yong has done is PROVEN that he has what it takes to be in the NFL, Bad season or not.
    TJ has not done that yet.
    Doesn't it talke a QB a good 3 season to develop as aQB? (another TJ argumnet)
    Alex Smith, Matt Leinhart were both injured but we they having a bad season
    before the injury. or a developing season? Why Cutler is in there is beyond me. If you want to talk about QB Comparisons based on stats I would throw Cleo Lemon in the mix. pretty much equal stats as Young and TJ but he also had a 1-15 record. (if we are going by QB success).



    If Leinhart hadn't gotten hurt he'd of been benched anyway... along with Alex Smith...

    TJ and young may have bad ratings.. but atleast they're teams win games.. and young has a better defense up in Tennessee and a waaaay better coach...

    Can you imagine what Fisher would do with out team...?? Down right SCARY!!!

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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    "Garland" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Garland" wrote:
    Which QB took their team to the playofs?
    I would say Brady, Peyton, Hasselbeck, Farve, and maybe Rivers "took their team to the playoffs."

    Roethlisberger, Eli, Garcia, Collins, and Romo were just along for the ride.
    And the Titans and Jags made it to the playoffs despite Garrard and Young.

    Again, if it is between Young and TJack, I would take TJack every time.
    The Jags Despite Garrard Are you serious? He had a great season and should of made it to the pro-bowl.
    He was arguably a top 10 QB this season. Ok I will give you Young but what about any other QB that you mentioned? Would you take TJ over any of them?Last I checked the Jaguars are what 11-4? Oh yeah I forgot the QB starting record is important when deciding how succesful a QB is. Garrard didn't show huge improvemnet when he was able to be the starter this year?Or does this only apply to defending TJ? Everyone is so TJ record is this, he showed improvemnet ect. But when it comes to another QB its not a valid argument? Huh?

    Regardless of who you whant as a QB, Young took his team to the playoffs, afterall it all about their record and how many games they won and lost as a QB right? Did Young have a bad seson hell yes. So if we are compairing season vs. Season what was TJ's? A good season? Both are young QB's, both have a lot to learn.
    Young if anything has the disadvantge of having to live up to HUGE expectations as a QB. But one thing that Yong has done is PROVEN that he has what it takes to be in the NFL, Bad season or not.
    TJ has not done that yet.
    Doesn't it talke a QB a good 3 season to develop as aQB? (another TJ argumnet)
    Alex Smith, Matt Leinhart were both injured but we they having a bad season
    before the injury. or a developing season? Why Cutler is in there is beyond me. If you want to talk about QB Comparisons based on stats I would throw Cleo Lemon in the mix. pretty much equal stats as Young and TJ but he also had a 1-15 record. (if we are going by QB success).



    If Leinhart hadn't gotten hurt he'd of been benched anyway... along with Alex Smith...

    TJ and young may have bad ratings.. but atleast they're teams win games.. and young has a better defense up in Tennessee and a waaaay better coach...

    Can you imagine what Fisher would do with out team...?? Down right SCARY!!!
    Well there goes this thread.

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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

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    IMO Jackson is a better passer than Young. Better arm, quicker release, can stand in the pocket(sometimes too long).

    I think Vince Young is one of the more overrated players in the NFL. He's not an NFL caliber passer, he has awful mechanics, a stupid sidearm release, rolls out for 75% of passes he throws, and is extremely unintelligent.

    Give it two years and we'll see Tarvaris Jackson is a far better quarterback than Vince Young.
    I agree with everything you say about Young here, BUT for whatever reason ... I really like the kid. Something about him. He comes to play ... he seems to really know his limitations and if he was given one go-getter receiver I think you would see him improve a lot. It is hard to say when you look at the numbers ... but he rarely makes CRITICAL mistakes and is a play-maker when the opportunity presents itself.

    I very much like T-Jack ... but for whatever reason ... I like Vince Young when I watch him play ... throwing the numbers out ... just something about him.

    And he is 17-11 as a starter and has made the playoffs and the Pro Bowl in the tougher AFC.

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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Garland" wrote:
    Which QB took their team to the playofs?
    I would say Brady, Peyton, Hasselbeck, Farve, and maybe Rivers "took their team to the playoffs."

    Roethlisberger, Eli, Garcia, Collins, and Romo were just along for the ride.
    And the Titans and Jags made it to the playoffs despite Garrard and Young.

    Again, if it is between Young and TJack, I would take TJack every time.
    Really? Romo and Roethlisberger had nothing to do with their team's success? But Philip Rivers MIGHT have? C'mon man. 36 frickin Touchdown passes ... Brad Johnson sure as hell would not have done that. Tarvaris Jackson sure as hell would not have done that. 32 TDs for Big Ben ... really? He was just along for the ride? Really? 32 TDs and only 11 INTs, but they would have been fine with Charlie Batch. Garrard? Really? C'mon man. Have you watched any of these teams play this year other than just last week? Sure Garrard, Garcia, Young, Collins and Roethlisberger did not look that good last week. They must have sucked all year.
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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

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    IMO Jackson is a better passer than Young. Better arm, quicker release, can stand in the pocket(sometimes too long).

    I think Vince Young is one of the more overrated players in the NFL. He's not an NFL caliber passer, he has awful mechanics, a stupid sidearm release, rolls out for 75% of passes he throws, and is extremely unintelligent.

    Give it two years and we'll see Tarvaris Jackson is a far better quarterback than Vince Young.
    I'm with you there

    They are pretty simular right now

    However I see improvment in T-jack.. Vince has stayed the same his career thus far
    I'm also with you two - because, as NP says, Vince Young does not seem to be progressing as he should after two years (not two complete years, mind you) as the starter.

    Tarvaris is also cheaper.
    Much cheaper.
    That's a big consideration.

    =Z=
    Exactly.

    TJack coming at the price he does is a huge plus.
    If we're able to bring a decent veteran to challenge & help him during the offseason & training camp, and he cuts down on the mental errors.. he could be a reliable starter this year.
    And since he'd be cheap for a while, gives us a big plus on cap room


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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    1. media needs to attract readers + viewers
    2. they create heroes, villans, good guys, bad guys, over rated guys, over critisized guys, and pre-mature evaluations of poeple to attract them viewer/reader

    3. fans swarm to media to read about their team/guy
    4. sport hax/beat pimpers/anal-systs.. spew forth malakias to show they know soooo much and you should read and believe them like a preacher.

    5. The nfl pours money into sponsering players to gain icons in the sport.. VY is one of them.. what in a year or 2 how his name will drop if he's not more consistant and developing.. what Tjack's raise as he does develop!!

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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Garland" wrote:
    Which QB took their team to the playofs?
    I would say Brady, Peyton, Hasselbeck, Farve, and maybe Rivers "took their team to the playoffs."

    Roethlisberger, Eli, Garcia, Collins, and Romo were just along for the ride.
    And the Titans and Jags made it to the playoffs despite Garrard and Young.

    Again, if it is between Young and TJack, I would take TJack every time.
    I disagree on Roethlisberger, Garcia and Romo.
    All of them were key to victories that led their teams to the playoffs.

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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "digital420" wrote:
    1. media needs to attract readers + viewers
    2. they create heroes, villans, good guys, bad guys, over rated guys, over critisized guys, and pre-mature evaluations of poeple to attract them viewer/reader

    3. fans swarm to media to read about their team/guy
    4. sport hax/beat pimpers/anal-systs.. spew forth malakias to show they know soooo much and you should read and believe them like a preacher.

    5. The nfl pours money into sponsering players to gain icons in the sport.. VY is one of them.. what in a year or 2 how his name will drop if he's not more consistant and developing.. what Tjack's raise as he does develop!!

    mass media follow's life, people use mass media to follow life

    DiGiTaL
    I need to start a new spreadsheet for people who have a clue about the press/media.

    You my friend are at the top list.

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    Re: OK can someone explian this?

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Garland" wrote:
    Which QB took their team to the playofs?
    I would say Brady, Peyton, Hasselbeck, Farve, and maybe Rivers "took their team to the playoffs."

    Roethlisberger, Eli, Garcia, Collins, and Romo were just along for the ride.
    And the Titans and Jags made it to the playoffs despite Garrard and Young.

    Again, if it is between Young and TJack, I would take TJack every time.
    I disagree on Roethlisberger, Garcia and Romo.
    All of them were key to victories that led their teams to the playoffs.

    =Z=
    The only one I can agree with here is Eli Manning.
    The rest of the QBs all had a big part of their team making the playoffs.
    Romo and Big Ben had huge years.
    Garcia played mistake free most of the time.

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