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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    I am still not totally sold on the whole HC is holding the team back theory.
    Yes he has made mistakes.
    Many HCs do make mistakes.
    Yes he is also a big part of the QB situation so in that regard I will agree he is holding the team back.
    But truth be told, without many of the fumbles, INTs and false starts/penalties that ruined many drives this team wins more than 10 games last season.
    Is it because of the talent level?
    Maybe it is.
    But just as he is a big part of the QB situation he is also a big part of bringing in FAs and keeping current players in which have been a big part of the success of the team.
    If you look at who the Vikings have lost since he's been around, what have those players done?
    The only one I could think of that has done anything is Thigpen and that imo was a circumstance that couldn't be avoided.
    Could he have made the team instead of Holcomb or Bollinger?
    Possibly.
    But it was against a lot of odds that a 7th round pick from Coastal Carolina would be picked up by someone.
    Not trying to point fingers or belittle anyones opinion here, but seriously, there is no way in hell a NFL team wins despite its HC.

    It isn't like they stand out there with sticks and bottle caps and draw plays up in the "Turf".
    I just don't agree that the HC is holding this team back theory.
    Like I have stated in many other threads some people would blame CHildress if I farted in my car and held the window up with a lady in the passenger seat.

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

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    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    i think he's saying that we have superbowl caliber talent and therefore makes us superbowl contenders.. however, if we dont' win and win atleast one playoff game, then hell yeah he's on the hot seat to win in the playoffs...

    esp. given the caliber of coaches waiting in the wings... i.e. Cower, Shanahan, amongst others... we're right there..!!!!

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

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    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a damn.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Not this fan, I'm with you 100%

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

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    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a damn.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Not this fan, I'm with you 100%
    Actually most Chilly fans do nothing but blame him for every negative thing that happens for the Vikings without knowing the entire picture.

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    Not trying to point fingers or belittle anyones opinion here, but seriously, there is no way in hell a NFL team wins despite its HC.

    It isn't like they stand out there with sticks and bottle caps and draw plays up in the "Turf".
    Explain Barry Switzer.

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    Not trying to point fingers or belittle anyones opinion here, but seriously, there is no way in hell a NFL team wins despite its HC.

    It isn't like they stand out there with sticks and bottle caps and draw plays up in the "Turf".
    Explain Barry Switzer.
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    Not trying to point fingers or belittle anyones opinion here, but seriously, there is no way in hell a NFL team wins despite its HC.

    It isn't like they stand out there with sticks and bottle caps and draw plays up in the "Turf".
    Explain Barry Switzer.
    Much like Chucky and Tomlin, they inherited good teams and retained most of the staff (for continuity purposes).
    Difference there was, as with Tice, he didn't have the ability to keep the team updated.

    Like it or not, the Chiller works well with the FO when it comes to articulating what type of player he (and his coaching staff) needs to run the scheme and as those players get more and more comfortable in the scheme, the wins start to increase.

    Quick question, is this team better or was the team he (Chiller) inherited better?
    Again, I give Rick and his scouts most of the credit for how this team is built, but the Chiller also has a role in that.
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
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    Not trying to point fingers or belittle anyones opinion here, but seriously, there is no way in hell a NFL team wins despite its HC.

    It isn't like they stand out there with sticks and bottle caps and draw plays up in the "Turf".
    Explain Barry Switzer.
    Much like Chucky and Tomlin, they inherited good teams and retained most of the staff (for continuity purposes).
    Difference there was, as with Tice, he didn't have the ability to keep the team updated.

    Like it or not, the Chiller works well with the FO when it comes to articulating what type of player he (and his coaching staff) needs to run the scheme and as those players get more and more comfortable in the scheme, the wins start to increase.

    Quick question, is this team better or was the team he (Chiller) inherited better?
    Again, I give Rick and his scouts most of the credit for how this team is built, but the Chiller also has a role in that.
    I can say this, Childress has brought in some good talent. Getting Vets like Hutch,Allen, Madieu, Taylor,Berrian etc are an example of both a commitment by the FO to bring in talent and to spend money when necessary. That is a luxury Tice never had.

    In return for the increase in talent acquisition after 3 years we have seen a net gain in the w/l record of 1 game.
    For that reason I do not believe the staff has been able to maximize the team productivity given that infusion of talent. It hasn't exactly been rosy either, after all, we did go through a period of bringing in players like Pinkston, McMahon and a long list I would rather forget about in the first few years.

    Quick question- Has any other coach had the support of the FO to bring in as much F.A talent as Childress has? I do not remember any time in my nearly 40 years of watching the Vikings where the FO has been as agressive in bringing in talent for the HC as we have seen since 2006. Tice certainly never had it so good.

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    All we have to do is play with some discipline. Limit turnovers, penalties, and other miscues, and we have the talent to go very far. It was not the scheme that held us back last year.
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "V" wrote:
    All we have to do is play with some discipline. Limit turnovers, penalties, and other miscues, and we have the talent to go very far. It was not the scheme that held us back last year.
    That would have been the case going back to the Tice era. In fact most teams have the talent to go far if they don't turn over the ball, have penalties and other miscues. that generally separates the good teams from the bad ones ;D

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