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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

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    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    why would we have wanted a glorified HS QB that played with the best recieving core in the NFL last year? Obviously the Patriots knew exactly what I've been saying for the past 8 months. The kid is a joke, hence why they dumped him off for free in the Vrable trade to KC. Vrable was worth the second round pick even in the decline of his career... I'll put my money says he doesn't start more than 10 games this year... and if he does there is no chance in hell he makes it to anything more than maybe (and thats a big maybe) 3000 yards passing
    You can have the best WR corp on the field, but that HS QB still needed to make the reads and the throws.
    Don't know what your beef is with the kid, but he sure didn't look like a joke last year.
    Lord knows that OL sure didn't help him out much.
    :

    As to what the Pats knew?
    They knew that a certain GM was gonna covet the QB he drafted so they upped the ante and hit them with a 14+ cap hit. Additionally, as with Cassell, they knew that they had another youngster waiting in the wings to do exactly what Cassell did last year if Brady goes down again.

    I watched almost every NE game last year.
    The kid is not a good QB.
    T-Jack would have put up better stats with the receivers he had.
    You think Jackson throws a bad long ball?
    Cassel had two good long passes all year. (one was dropped)
    When over 56% of the throwing yards come from YAC, the receivers deserve a good chunk of the credit.
    Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk are amazing at getting open on the shorter routes, especially when Randy Moss is taking away two or three players out of the picture.
    Moss had a down year because he would be missed WIDE OPEN countless times.
    I'm extremely happy we didn't waste a 1st or 2nd round pick on him.
    Obviously the coaches agree.


    As for the O-line.
    Once Cassel realized he couldn't stand back in the pocket for 7 seconds - they seemed a lot better.
    Obviously the interior of the line wasn't at full strength for the whole season, but Cassell didn't help them much.

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Yfz01" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "kspurplepride" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52089.msg955244#msg955244 date=1244209563]
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

    Marrdro's comments follow:

    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    why would we have wanted a glorified HS QB that played with the best recieving core in the NFL last year? Obviously the Patriots knew exactly what I've been saying for the past 8 months. The kid is a joke, hence why they dumped him off for free in the Vrable trade to KC. Vrable was worth the second round pick even in the decline of his career... I'll put my money says he doesn't start more than 10 games this year... and if he does there is no chance in hell he makes it to anything more than maybe (and thats a big maybe) 3000 yards passing
    You can have the best WR corp on the field, but that HS QB still needed to make the reads and the throws.
    Don't know what your beef is with the kid, but he sure didn't look like a joke last year.
    Lord knows that OL sure didn't help him out much.
    :

    As to what the Pats knew?
    They knew that a certain GM was gonna covet the QB he drafted so they upped the ante and hit them with a 14+ cap hit. Additionally, as with Cassell, they knew that they had another youngster waiting in the wings to do exactly what Cassell did last year if Brady goes down again.

    I watched almost every NE game last year.
    The kid is not a good QB.
    T-Jack would have put up better stats with the receivers he had.
    You think Jackson throws a bad long ball?
    Cassel had two good long passes all year. (one was dropped)
    When over 56% of the throwing yards come from YAC, the receivers deserve a good chunk of the credit.
    Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk are amazing at getting open on the shorter routes, especially when Randy Moss is taking away two or three players out of the picture.
    Moss had a down year because he would be missed WIDE OPEN countless times.
    I'm extremely happy we didn't waste a 1st or 2nd round pick on him.
    Obviously the coaches agree.


    As for the O-line.
    Once Cassel realized he couldn't stand back in the pocket for 7 seconds - they seemed a lot better.
    Obviously the interior of the line wasn't at full strength for the whole season, but Cassell didn't help them much.
    [/quote]
    I remember Brady standing in the pocket for an eternity on a very regular basis in 2007. Their offensive line definitely had a down year last year, although that could be credited to them being blitzed more, teams were afraid to blitz Brady, since he will beat you if there is any weakness in your coverage at all, and with Moss on the field he has the ability to beat perfect coverage.

    I'm curious to how the Patriots offensive line plays this season, if they're anything like they were in 2007, we may be looking at another shot at 19-0.
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?
    Ask Jimmy Johnson

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    I watched almost every NE game last year.
    You didn't watch
    all of the Vikings games?

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Caine" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

    Marrdro's comments follow:

    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    I'm agreeing with C Mac.
    We win in spite of Chiller.
    He's like the Norv Turner of the NFC.
    He can put together the most talented team in the history of the NFL...and coach it right into 3rd place in the Division.


    So when the pundits say we're a superbowl caliber team, they refer to the talent on the field (except at QB), and when they say Chiller is in the hot seat, it's due to his inability to get the most out of that talent, and his inability to correct that QB issue.

    Makes perfect sense to anyone not in the Chiller Fan Club...

    Caine
    I must not be in the Chiller fan club because that makes perfect sense to me.

    Chilly's problem is not the schemes in place, it's the lack of focus and preparation which our team showcases .
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Caine" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

    Marrdro's comments follow:

    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    I'm agreeing with C Mac.
    We win in spite of Chiller.
    He's like the Norv Turner of the NFC.
    He can put together the most talented team in the history of the NFL...and coach it right into 3rd place in the Division.


    So when the pundits say we're a superbowl caliber team, they refer to the talent on the field (except at QB), and when they say Chiller is in the hot seat, it's due to his inability to get the most out of that talent, and his inability to correct that QB issue.

    Makes perfect sense to anyone not in the Chiller Fan Club...

    Caine
    Exactly.

    Hell, Barry Switzer "Coached" the Cowturds to a SB victory but it seems to me he was on the hot seat and didn't hang around big D for long. I am sure there were sniffers there who claimed he would also be snagged up for another HC job if he were fired but that never happened.

    Fire Childress.

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Yfz01" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "kspurplepride" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52089.msg955244#msg955244 date=1244209563]
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

    Marrdro's comments follow:

    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    why would we have wanted a glorified HS QB that played with the best recieving core in the NFL last year? Obviously the Patriots knew exactly what I've been saying for the past 8 months. The kid is a joke, hence why they dumped him off for free in the Vrable trade to KC. Vrable was worth the second round pick even in the decline of his career... I'll put my money says he doesn't start more than 10 games this year... and if he does there is no chance in hell he makes it to anything more than maybe (and thats a big maybe) 3000 yards passing
    You can have the best WR corp on the field, but that HS QB still needed to make the reads and the throws.
    Don't know what your beef is with the kid, but he sure didn't look like a joke last year.
    Lord knows that OL sure didn't help him out much.
    :

    As to what the Pats knew?
    They knew that a certain GM was gonna covet the QB he drafted so they upped the ante and hit them with a 14+ cap hit. Additionally, as with Cassell, they knew that they had another youngster waiting in the wings to do exactly what Cassell did last year if Brady goes down again.

    I watched almost every NE game last year.
    The kid is not a good QB.
    T-Jack would have put up better stats with the receivers he had.
    You think Jackson throws a bad long ball?
    Cassel had two good long passes all year. (one was dropped)
    When over 56% of the throwing yards come from YAC, the receivers deserve a good chunk of the credit.
    Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk are amazing at getting open on the shorter routes, especially when Randy Moss is taking away two or three players out of the picture.
    Moss had a down year because he would be missed WIDE OPEN countless times.
    I'm extremely happy we didn't waste a 1st or 2nd round pick on him.
    Obviously the coaches agree.


    As for the O-line.
    Once Cassel realized he couldn't stand back in the pocket for 7 seconds - they seemed a lot better.
    Obviously the interior of the line wasn't at full strength for the whole season, but Cassell didn't help them much.
    [/quote]
    And yet he is getting paid how much to be the "Franchise QB" for the KC Chiefs?

    Look, I hear ya on areas that he appears to be lacking in, however, lets not forget, even though our coaching staff didn't go after him, a couple did.

    I am smart enough to know that those coaches and FO pukes know a hell alot more about talent than I do and they wouldn't have given up what they did (Pick/Cash) if they thought he was as bad as you contend he is.
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?
    Ask Jimmy Johnson
    Thats what happens when the Owner wants to be the GM and HC.
    Wonder how thats worked out for him..... :
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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

    "Caine" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...urn=nfl,168219

    Marrdro's comments follow:

    I still chuckle to myself everytime I read a article that lauds us as a SB contender and in the next sentence says the HC is on the hotseat.

    Anyone else find it ironic that a organization that is good enough to get a team up to that par is a organization that would want to jettison its Head Coach?

    As I've said before, the only way the Chiller leaves is if he looses this locker room.
    To date, I haven't seen that happening, in fact, I think this locker room is 100% behind the ole Chiller and things would get ugly quick if he were fired.
    Isn't that what the "Chilly Haters" have been saying all along? Childress can bring a great team together, but he can coach a game worth a gol 'darnit.

    I think that's evident of how bad our coach really is... everyone realizes that he is holding us back, except for a few (...ehm) Vikings fans.
    Well I don't think "Everyone" thinks he is holding us back.

    I think that those in the know believe he (as well as the FO) have done a marvelous job getting this team back to what it used to be.
    Only thing holding it back, if one wants to go that route, is improvement at one position.

    That position is arguably the hardest to fix.
    Until this year I don't thing this staff has had options to improve that position.

    I for one would have like to seen a guy like Cutler or Cassell on the team and wondered why a bigger push wasn't made.
    After Tony D's comments about Cutler and why the Bronco's let him go, I wonder if we didn't do the right thing and not give up the bank for him.

    Still leaves Cassell hanging out there.
    I'm agreeing with C Mac.
    We win in spite of Chiller.
    He's like the Norv Turner of the NFC.
    He can put together the most talented team in the history of the NFL...and coach it right into 3rd place in the Division.


    So when the pundits say we're a superbowl caliber team, they refer to the talent on the field (except at QB), and when they say Chiller is in the hot seat, it's due to his inability to get the most out of that talent, and his inability to correct that QB issue.

    Makes perfect sense to anyone not in the Chiller Fan Club...

    Caine
    I am still not totally sold on the whole HC is holding the team back theory.
    Yes he has made mistakes.
    Many HCs do make mistakes.
    Yes he is also a big part of the QB situation so in that regard I will agree he is holding the team back.
    But truth be told, without many of the fumbles, INTs and false starts/penalties that ruined many drives this team wins more than 10 games last season.
    Is it because of the talent level?
    Maybe it is.
    But just as he is a big part of the QB situation he is also a big part of bringing in FAs and keeping current players in which have been a big part of the success of the team.
    If you look at who the Vikings have lost since he's been around, what have those players done?
    The only one I could think of that has done anything is Thigpen and that imo was a circumstance that couldn't be avoided.
    Could he have made the team instead of Holcomb or Bollinger?
    Possibly.
    But it was against a lot of odds that a 7th round pick from Coastal Carolina would be picked up by someone.

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    Re: Offseason progress reports: Minnesota Vikings

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    I am still not totally sold on the whole HC is holding the team back theory.
    Yes he has made mistakes.
    Many HCs do make mistakes.
    Yes he is also a big part of the QB situation so in that regard I will agree he is holding the team back.
    But truth be told, without many of the fumbles, INTs and false starts/penalties that ruined many drives this team wins more than 10 games last season.
    Is it because of the talent level?
    Maybe it is.
    But just as he is a big part of the QB situation he is also a big part of bringing in FAs and keeping current players in which have been a big part of the success of the team.
    If you look at who the Vikings have lost since he's been around, what have those players done?
    The only one I could think of that has done anything is Thigpen and that imo was a circumstance that couldn't be avoided.
    Could he have made the team instead of Holcomb or Bollinger?
    Possibly.
    But it was against a lot of odds that a 7th round pick from Coastal Carolina would be picked up by someone.
    Not trying to point fingers or belittle anyones opinion here, but seriously, there is no way in hell a NFL team wins despite its HC.

    It isn't like they stand out there with sticks and bottle caps and draw plays up in the "Turf".
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