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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    Im just not sure how people don't think Jackson is better then Gus?

    The ONLY throws we saw Gus making latley minus the wide open deep ball was slants, dump offs, comeback routes and out routes.. Missing alot of the time as well

    Jackson showed he could make these throws before he was benched

    Gus when things breaks down holds onto the ball and just takes a sack.. Jackson makes plays.. Gus is in to make vet decisions.. But he hasn't been doing that

    Look at his first pick yesterday.. HORRIBLE read.. When is the last time he threw away the ball?


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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    I was impressed by Jackson in ONLY one way against the Lions.
    He was poised inthe pocket.
    There were a few throws that he made with defenders in his face that he would not have made earlier in the year.

    Let's not get too excited yet, as it was the Lions.

    We'll see how he plays against Arizona (if he plays) and then make a judgement on his improvement.

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    first off alot of the hits ferrotte is taking is cuz he cant move anywhere cuz hes old as dust.
    this is another reason he hinders our offense, plays are done when pressure is put on him.
    and lets face it.
    people did not wanna give jackson any credit for our 5 game winning streak last year, but now want to claim ferrotte is a big part of our previous wins.
    just look at the stats of jackson during that period and you'll see he was actually playing well and contributing to the wins, ferrotte has consistently been keeping teams in games by extremely costly picks, and our offens is no more efficient now than it was week 2 passing wise.
    we are winning in spite of ferrotte and his age and immobility is limiting us big time.
    we are not talking tom brady to jackson, we are talking ferrotte.
    what are we honestly losing if ferrotte doesn't start?
    nothing, if anything we gain cuz jackson at least can do something physically.
    if hes not good whats the difference, ferrotte hasn't been.
    nothing to lose.


    and nodak please with this 2+ year stuff.
    he still has only started 16 games and if ferrottes crappy play along with every other qbs is any indication, jackson has played better than all of them.
    he has an offensive line playing more consistently than they have over 3 years, a running game that is running great and a defense that is playing about as good as anyone right now.
    he now has berrian and shank has proven to be a weapon.
    why not?
    ferrotte has had all these things and has been playing dismal.
    jackson is our only hope of things getting better, and theres still alot he has to prove.
    ferrotte is playing indicative of his whole career,its not like we are gonna be taking any steps back, we can only step forward or just continue to stay on pace with poor pass offense.
    to me its clear as day.
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    now self destruction" that's enlightenment

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "petersenkyle1167" wrote:
    The jury is no longer out on Gus, he is NO BETTER than Tarvaris. Also, he was put in there to manage game and make better decisions and I would argue he has made worse one's than Tarvaris. T-Jack needs to start the rest of the way. We HAVE to find out sooner or later if he can play, otherwise were gonna have another offseason like we did last year. Gus needs to be benched start T-Jack.
    We DID find out if he can play.
    We found out over the past 2+ years that he is a serviceable back up at best.
    Putting TJack in just so we can "find out" some more is giving up on the season.

    You are right in saying the Gus is no better than TJack.
    On the same note, TJack is NO BETTER than Gus.
    So which career backup do you start.

    Well, if Gus isn't healthy, the decision is easy.
    If Gus is healthy, the decision falls to Childress, and let's be honest.
    Neither QB would be the right or wrong decision.
    They both bring something to the table.
    TJack is more mobile, and is coming off from a good second half.
    He is probably motivated to give it his all because he is likely fighting for a roster spot next year.
    TJack makes good short to mid throws, but poor reads.
    Gus makes good reads, but poor throws.
    TJack is HORRIBLE at the long ball, Gus is OK.
    TJack can take a hit, some times I worry if they need to wheel a coffin out for Gus after a hit.
    TJack puts mor juice on the all, but doesn't have very good touch.

    The list goes on and on - they are very different QBs, but the net result is about the same.
    Neither one is better than the other.

    So if I were the head coach, and I was faced with this decision, who would I start.
    In the end I think I would choose Gus.
    Not because I think he is any better than TJack, but because I think his strengths play more into the rest of the team's strengths better than TJacks.
    We already have a player who pulls people into the box and opens up passing lanes.
    We call him All Day.
    TJack's mobility doesn't bring as much to the table because teams are already stacking the box, and would likely go into a cover 3 every time when facing him.
    I would rather take my chances with Gus's semi-accurate deep ball to try and kepe that safety honest.
    You're in the same boat I am.
    I really couldn't have said it any better myself.

    TJack comes in and has one solid half against the worst team in football and suddenly everybody's behind him again.
    I'm not there yet.
    I haven't forgotten why we benched him in the first place.

    That floater he threw to Berrian bothers me.
    It reminded me of his inability to throw the deep ball.
    If he can't throw the deep ball, how can he get that eighth man out of the box?
    All other things being equal, I would marginally favor Gus at this point (though he's still on the hot seat here).
    They each have advantages and disadvantages, and I'm not comfortable with either one of them at quarterback.
    Neither of them are any good.
    Hell, neither of them are even ACCEPTABLE.

    Gus had a couple good games, too, you know.
    That doesn't negate his faults, though.
    Maybe if T-Jack has a good game against a REAL team, I'll consider thinking otherwise, but as of right now, that's where I stand.
    Let's hope for everyone's sake that TJ is a better quarterback than he was ten weeks ago.
    He hasn't proven it yet.

    I'd like to stress that I won't be particularly incensed if he does become our starter again.
    It really is all the same to me.
    Either way, we'll have similar success and failure and different aspects of the game.
    It was the way I felt when he was benched in the first place, and it's the way I feel right now.


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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    I would love to have Jackson in

    But im in the boat where I support Chilldress

    If he feels Gus is a better option then i'll support him and his decision

    If it was up to me I would have had the kid playing a long time ago

    Im not sure if that's the right thing or not.. Just I would have chanced it

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    "V4L" wrote:
    I would love to have Jackson in

    But im in the boat where I support Chilldress

    If he feels Gus is a better option then i'll support him and his decision

    If it was up to me I would have had the kid playing a long time ago

    Im not sure if that's the right thing or not.. Just I would have chanced it
    I side with you on this one. I am not the guy to make this decision and I have to have some faith in the staff to go the right way on this.
    I think one thing that will be taken into account is the feeling the team has. If it seems that the players are rallying around T-Jack after his solid performance ... then maybe it is time to go back to him. If they seem on edge about the idea of going back to him, maybe you stick with Gus.
    Not an easy position to be in, but I will have to trust the staff to do what is right in this situation, even if it appears different than what I want.

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    I would love to have Jackson in

    But im in the boat where I support Chilldress

    If he feels Gus is a better option then i'll support him and his decision

    If it was up to me I would have had the kid playing a long time ago

    Im not sure if that's the right thing or not.. Just I would have chanced it
    I side with you on this one. I am not the guy to make this decision and I have to have some faith in the staff to go the right way on this.
    I think one thing that will be taken into account is the feeling the team has. If it seems that the players are rallying around T-Jack after his solid performance ... then maybe it is time to go back to him. If they seem on edge about the idea of going back to him, maybe you stick with Gus.
    Not an easy position to be in, but I will have to trust the staff to do what is right in this situation, even if it appears different than what I want.

    +1

    I can see why he would want Gus in.. And I can see why he would want Jackson in

    I prefer Jackson by farrrrr.. But would not be furious if Gus trotted on next Sunday

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    You are right in saying the Gus is no better than TJack.
    On the same note, TJack is NO BETTER than Gus.
    So which career backup do you start.
    I think it's a tad early to call Tarvaris a "career backup".

    =Z=
    Really?
    I don't.
    How long do you have to watch him play mediocre to poor before you would call him such?
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "petersenkyle1167" wrote:
    The jury is no longer out on Gus, he is NO BETTER than Tarvaris. Also, he was put in there to manage game and make better decisions and I would argue he has made worse one's than Tarvaris. T-Jack needs to start the rest of the way. We HAVE to find out sooner or later if he can play, otherwise were gonna have another offseason like we did last year. Gus needs to be benched start T-Jack.
    We DID find out if he can play.
    We found out over the past 2+ years that he is a serviceable back up at best.
    Putting TJack in just so we can "find out" some more is giving up on the season.

    You are right in saying the Gus is no better than TJack.
    On the same note, TJack is NO BETTER than Gus.
    So which career backup do you start.

    Well, if Gus isn't healthy, the decision is easy.
    If Gus is healthy, the decision falls to Childress, and let's be honest.
    Neither QB would be the right or wrong decision.
    They both bring something to the table.
    TJack is more mobile, and is coming off from a good second half.
    He is probably motivated to give it his all because he is likely fighting for a roster spot next year.
    TJack makes good short to mid throws, but poor reads.
    Gus makes good reads, but poor throws.
    TJack is HORRIBLE at the long ball, Gus is OK.
    TJack can take a hit, some times I worry if they need to wheel a coffin out for Gus after a hit.
    TJack puts mor juice on the all, but doesn't have very good touch.

    The list goes on and on - they are very different QBs, but the net result is about the same.
    Neither one is better than the other.

    So if I were the head coach, and I was faced with this decision, who would I start.
    In the end I think I would choose Gus.
    Not because I think he is any better than TJack, but because I think his strengths play more into the rest of the team's strengths better than TJacks.
    We already have a player who pulls people into the box and opens up passing lanes.
    We call him All Day.
    TJack's mobility doesn't bring as much to the table because teams are already stacking the box, and would likely go into a cover 3 every time when facing him.
    I would rather take my chances with Gus's semi-accurate deep ball to try and kepe that safety honest.
    I would like to add to that the fact that we should feel fortunate to have such depth at the position that there can even be a debate as to who the starter is and by the same token we should all be thankful for Childress and his KAO, where we can lose a starter and just plug in a backup and keep on winning. It is great to see this whole plan come to fruition and now we are reaping the rewards of it.

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    Re: The Official Tarvaris Jackson Thread

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    You are right in saying the Gus is no better than TJack.
    On the same note, TJack is NO BETTER than Gus.
    So which career backup do you start.
    I think it's a tad early to call Tarvaris a "career backup".

    =Z=
    You don't think he has a future as a backup? You might be surprised when he ends up on a roster somewhere for a while.

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