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    The problem is we need a heckuva a lot more than a first round pick or two. This franchises' issues are systemic, starting with crook owners all the way down to personel. Speilman should be gone for wasting a pick and three years on Ponder. Frazier, Musgrave, and Williams should be gone because they can't get the best out of the players, and some players should be gone because they either don't care or can't play. The waterboy is probably ok to stay, but keep an eye on him.

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    Ed Werder just reported live on ESPN that the decision to start Freeman was made by the coaching staff. He also reported that he spoke with a "veteran player on the Vikings" and asked the question, "what do you think about participating in a QB experiment." The player, not named, replied, "that's too deep to get into right now."

    The players seemingly love Frazier. But, not giving them a chance to win, if they perceive that to be the case, will cause a major dent in the armor.

    Losing, will cause many more. Anyone see a victory on the horizon?

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    Cowboys - away
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    Seahawks - away
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    Bengals - away
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    Frazier may be falling on his sword to keep up the perception that he's running the team and to keep Wilfs out of the fire. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Either admit the brass is calling the shots and look powerless or take responsibility for the "experiment" and look incompetent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVike View Post
    Ed Werder just reported live on ESPN that the decision to start Freeman was made by the coaching staff. He also reported that he spoke with a "veteran player on the Vikings" and asked the question, "what do you think about participating in a QB experiment." The player, not named, replied, "that's too deep to get into right now."

    The players seemingly love Frazier. But, not giving them a chance to win, if they perceive that to be the case, will cause a major dent in the armor.

    Losing, will cause many more. Anyone see a victory on the horizon?

    Packers - Home
    Cowboys - away
    'Skins - home (SNF...serenity now)
    Seahawks - away
    Packers - away
    Bears - home
    Ravens - away
    Eagles - home
    Bengals - away
    Lions - home
    Doesn't really look like there is another one anytime soon... Maybe the Bears if Jay Cutler is still hurt but even that doesn't look like a possibility now...

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    BTW, why did we give Freeman 3mil a year for 11 games again????

    That decision was almost as bad as giving John Carlson 25mil for 5 years... idiotic!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedpurple View Post
    BTW, why did we give Freeman 3mil a year for 11 games again????

    That decision was almost as bad as giving John Carlson 25mil for 5 years... idiotic!!!
    Freeman's original contract with the Buc's was 6 mill for the season, the Vikes signed him to a 2 mill for 11 games or what would have been a 3 mill deal for a full season....also if the vikes cut him now since he was signed after week one they don't owe him the remainder of his contract.....while the Buc's still are paying Freeman

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    Anyone know how much freedom Musgrave has over the play calling? Can Frazier tell him to make changes, or is Musgrave the only one who gets to decide what we are going to run?

    I'm just wondering if Frazier was brought in to manage the players, while the "power players" decide how to run the team and the game. I LIKE Frazier the man, so maybe I'm reaching for straws in his defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    Anyone know how much freedom Musgrave has over the play calling? Can Frazier tell him to make changes, or is Musgrave the only one who gets to decide what we are going to run?

    I'm just wondering if Frazier was brought in to manage the players, while the "power players" decide how to run the team and the game. I LIKE Frazier the man, so maybe I'm reaching for straws in his defense.
    Doesn't seem like Frazier tells anyone to do anything... he just sorta stands on the sidelines with this look on his face:

    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    1961 3-11
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    Could we be heading for this territory again this year? Evidently the 3-13 season in 2011 did little for us in terms of draft picks.
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    If the owner has some integrity ,he must fire all this stable,this is embarrasing for this franchise...
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