09-09-2013, 02:10 PM #21
Exactly where does Frazier figure into all this?? Musgrave is following the head coach's lead IMO.
That is where the buck stops. The OC makes the play calls but the design of the team and game is on the head coach's desk.
09-09-2013, 02:15 PM #22Coordinator
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The sequence of first down run, second down run, third down pass occurred in 5 of those 11 series. You could say that series 2 was a third down run, but it was a pass play where Ponder scrambled and ran. A pass was called.
The Vikings had the lead until the second series of the second half. While winning they had 6 runs and 5 passes on first down, 3 runs 4 passes on second and 1 run and 3 passes on third down. I'm counting the third down scramble as a run in this case. So 10 runs 12 passes with the lead.
Once behind they had 8 runs and 5 passes on first down. 3 runs and 7 passes on second down, and 0 runs and 6 passes on third down. And one or two fourth down passes. That's 11 runs and 19 passes. which is expected when playing from behind for most of the second half. Over all I have 21 runs and 31 passes.
So there is balance there, yes. But the point that Musgrave called the run, run, pass pattern in five out of eleven offensive series makes the team predictable.
I recall thinking that Jerry Burns and Brian Billick were creative offensive coordinators. I have yet to think of Musgrave in those terms.
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09-09-2013, 02:23 PM #23
09-09-2013, 02:58 PM #24
09-10-2013, 07:23 AM #26
Musgrave certainly isn't ideal, but given that he did seem to open it up more for Cassel in preseason than he did for Ponder, it gives credence that Musgrave does try to play within the QB's limits to be successful. Ponder has difficulty hitting receivers on the fly, thus not so many slants. We saw that again yesterday on the throw that was low & behind Jennings that he miraculously caught.
Go back & look at how many deeper pass attempts Ponder was given.
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09-10-2013, 07:25 AM #27
09-10-2013, 10:29 AM #28Asst. Coach
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09-10-2013, 12:51 PM #29
Throwing down field shouldn't a trust issue, and I don't think it is. Not at any level after pop-warner. Changing the call the line of scrimmage, however, is not something you really see in most games below the NFL.
Deep routes against coverage designed to stop them are pointless (unless you have an amazing deep threat or jump ball type of receiver.) You can trust anybody to just chuck it down there. I'm not necessarily saying that's what they did on Sunday, just trying to further my point that attempting deeper passes implies no significant element of trust between coach and quarterback. It should be expected that he completes the pass to an open man. Not being able to trust an NFL quarterback to do that might indicate some kind of personality disorder. A coach needs to trust his players to make the right calls when he can't.
I don't dislike Musgrave, or think he should be fired. I don't think Ponder should be benched or is hopeless, yet. I just don't think this team can succeed unless the training wheels come off and Ponder is given free rein.