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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "V" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?

    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.

    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are that matters.

    =Z=
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52812.msg987414#msg987414 date=1251148458]
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

    [/quote]

    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
    - Lombardi

    I'd rather have the Super Bowl win at this point than the gaudy statistics that mean shit.

    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    [quote author=ThorSPL link=topic=52812.msg987420#msg987420 date=1251148841]
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52812.msg987414#msg987414 date=1251148458]
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?

    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

    [/quote]

    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
    - Lombardi

    I'd rather have the Super Bowl win at this point than the gaudy statistics that mean shit.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    but in this scenario, we're not talking about which team you'd rather have, its which quarterback.
    Do you really think that Dilfer would wina superbowl in Miami? I sure as hell don't.
    I agree with lombardi's statement 100%, but don't you think to do that, you need to get the best pieces to make you win?


    by your logic, Brad Johnson would still be our QB.

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are that matters.

    =Z=
    But a thread that only has wins, might not make Favre look bad.
    Thus the reason there isn't a comp%, 3rd down conversion %, and # of game winning drives.
    Because accuracy, handling pressure, and leadership aren't as important as a few #'s.
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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    [quote author=V link=topic=52812.msg987430#msg987430 date=1251151946]
    [quote author=ThorSPL link=topic=52812.msg987420#msg987420 date=1251148841]
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52812.msg987414#msg987414 date=1251148458]
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?

    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

    [/quote]

    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
    - Lombardi

    I'd rather have the Super Bowl win at this point than the gaudy statistics that mean shit.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    but in this scenario, we're not talking about which team you'd rather have, its which quarterback.
    Do you really think that Dilfer would wina superbowl in Miami? I sure as hell don't.
    I agree with lombardi's statement 100%, but don't you think to do that, you need to get the best pieces to make you win?


    by your logic, Brad Johnson would still be our QB.
    [/quote]

    Problem is, you can't change history.

    Dan Marino had the greatest statistical season as a QB in NFL history and failed to win the Super Bowl.

    Fudge and point and finger all you want - the only fact that matters is that Dilfer did win a Super Bowl as a QB.
    You cannot say that Marino would have won with that team or that Dilfer would have won with Marino's Dolphin teams.

    The fantasy football fascination with stats does not translate to success on the field.
    Winners make it happen.
    See Bradshaw, Terry.

    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    [quote author=ThorSPL link=topic=52812.msg987420#msg987420 date=1251148841]
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52812.msg987414#msg987414 date=1251148458]
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

    [/quote]

    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
    - Lombardi

    I'd rather have the Super Bowl win at this point than the gaudy statistics that mean shit.

    =Z=
    [/quote]

    I completely agree with you Zeus, but wins are a product of good team performance, not just good QB performance. When considering how a QBs performs, wins should be included in that consideration, but just looking at wins and losses alone means jack shit.
    "I hate when threads are destroyed by facts and logic."
    - Prophet


    Thanks Josdin!

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "V" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    [quote author=V link=topic=52812.msg987430#msg987430 date=1251151946]
    [quote author=ThorSPL link=topic=52812.msg987420#msg987420 date=1251148841]
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52812.msg987414#msg987414 date=1251148458]
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

    [/quote]

    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
    - Lombardi

    I'd rather have the Super Bowl win at this point than the gaudy statistics that mean shit.
    [/quote]

    I completely agree with you Zeus, but wins are a product of good team performance, not just good QB performance. When considering how a QBs performs, wins should be included in that consideration, but just looking at wins and losses alone means jack shit.
    [/quote]

    I posted my top-10 list of all-time QBs a while back here and did not have Marino on it.
    Because I think he lacks the "certain something" that people like Brady, Montana and Bradshaw have.
    Drew Brees, for example, had a great statistical season last year, but failed to lift his team beyond a .500 record.
    An all-time great possesses that magic that lifts all members of the team, not just the offense, to go above and beyond.

    That's just my opinion and I've seen it validated again and again.


    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: The Official Favre Interception, Fumble & TD Tracker - 2009

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=52812.msg990410#msg990410 date=1251821170]
    [quote author=V link=topic=52812.msg987430#msg987430 date=1251151946]
    [quote author=ThorSPL link=topic=52812.msg987420#msg987420 date=1251148841]
    [quote author=gagarr link=topic=52812.msg987414#msg987414 date=1251148458]
    What really is the purpose of this thread?

    Should a QB be judged only on TD, INTs, and Fumbles?

    TD's, INT's, and Fumbles?
    don't indicate anything.

    What do you think of 34TD, 17INT, 6 Fumbles?

    Or 34TD, 11 INT, 8 fumbles?


    What about 17TD, 14INT, 14 fumbles?




    Source of stats:
    Brees and 8-8 Saints
    Rivers and 8-8 Chargers
    Big Ben, 12-4, and SB Champ Steelers.

    What is this? logic? reason?
    Posting proof and facts is crazy!
    You really consider this logical? kaka del rio. A good record is a product of a good team and not a good quarterback.

    Face it people. QB rating is by far the best way to determine QB performance. Is it perfect? No, but all these other stats that people try to use are far more inferior.
    +1
    -1

    Wins are what matters.
    so Trent Dilfer riding one of the best defenses in the history of the game to a superbowl, while being shut out offensively numerous times that season is better than a guy who set numerous passing records as a dolphin, but never could win the superbowl because he never had a great team around him?

    Winning is important, when guys like Roethlisberger clearly contribute to winning, and although don' thave the best stats, but still keep winning, thats one thing, but when guys are clearly mediocre at absolute best but their team wins for them is a whole other.

    [/quote]

    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
    - Lombardi

    I'd rather have the Super Bowl win at this point than the gaudy statistics that mean shit.
    [/quote]

    I completely agree with you Zeus, but wins are a product of good team performance, not just good QB performance. When considering how a QBs performs, wins should be included in that consideration, but just looking at wins and losses alone means jack shit.
    [/quote]

    I posted my top-10 list of all-time QBs a while back here and did not have Marino on it.
    Because I think he lacks the "certain something" that people like Brady, Montana and Bradshaw have.
    Drew Brees, for example, had a great statistical season last year, but failed to lift his team beyond a .500 record.
    An all-time great possesses that magic that lifts all members of the team, not just the offense, to go above and beyond.

    That's just my opinion and I've seen it validated again and again.


    =Z=
    [/quote]

    yes, I'm sure throwing 5000+ yards, 65%, 34 td's and a 96 rating, solely contributed to his defense not being able to stop anyone right.

    there are 32 starting QB's in the league, are the 31 others that didn't win the superbowl not worth shit then?


    there have been 43 superbowls, and something like 25 superbowl winning QB's, does that mean outside of those 25 QB's, nobody else was any good, and Trent Dilfer ranks in the top 25 QB's all time?

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