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    Is it really safe to assume Atlanta had a better line than we do when they drafted Ryan? Weren't they like 2-14 the year before they drafted him?
    You do know they started Harrington that year don't you. Plus we have McKinnie & they don't.

    I know there OL did a lot better job of protecting in 2008 than they did in 2007 with Vick gone. Was there a major change in lineman between 2007 & 2008? Don't know.

    I do know we haven't successfully protected QB's without them getting injured & missing games since 2004. Considering where we drafted linemen in the draft, it's not safe to say there are new starters there.

    Both Webb & Jackson are very mobile QB's & our OL still got them both injured.

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    Umm, no it doesn't blow mine out of the water at all. Rodgers was a rookie when he started? Really? Sorry, Rodgers sat behind Favre for 4 years before he started. Not exactly a wet rookie. Apples & oranges.

    Sorry, but no one's gonna buy that.
    He was still just a first time starter

    The Jets in 2009 went with Sanchez. While the team did go to the playoffs, Sanchez completed only 53.8% of his passes, thru 20 INT's to 12 TD's, had a avg QB rating of only 63. Doesn't exactly scream pro bowler. BTW, his backup was veteran Kellen Clemons who was in his fourth year & had started 8 games.

    Nice try, close.
    So now you are saying 8 starts is an experienced vet? Nice

    I'll give you Atlanta, so that's only 1. He did do well for them without a veteran backup, but they also had a good OL that year that only allowed 17 sacks.
    Holy shit.I am amazed

    What do you think the Vikings chances are of giving up only 17 sacks? LOL!

    Don't know until I see the team play under the new staff. My guess is they will give up more than that no matter who is under center.


    Lets also not forget Ryan was the 3rd pick in the draft & was projected to go very high. Ponder was projected to go way, way later than 12th.
    I don't care too much about projections.

    Again, don't have a problem with them starting Ponder if come regular season it looks like he knows the system well enough & can handle it, but we won't know that until then.
    Then why all of the drama?

    We aren't even sure if there'll be OTA's, minicamps or even much of a TC, so there's no way we can say at this point he's our guy without having a veteran backup QB on the roster that can go if he can't. Webb isn't ready yet IMO & Bomar is an absolute unknown.
    Good. It will be hard for other teams to scout and scheme against them then.


    The smart decision is to grab a veteran QB out of FA to fall back on if plan A fails.
    I don't have too much of a problem with that but then are you saying cut Bomar or cut Webb? Which one is better? Who is going to come here that is worth a damn knowing we have the QB of th future on the roster and that they have maybe less than a year to play here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1096147
    It says "Video not yet available in your country"

    Since you know a lot about Ponder, studying and all, How is his mobility & ability to elude the rush? Does he take off down field at the sign of danger of does he stay behind the LOS & try to find an open receiver?

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1096149
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1096143

    Umm, no it doesn't blow mine out of the water at all. Rodgers was a rookie when he started? Really? Sorry, Rodgers sat behind Favre for 4 years before he started. Not exactly a wet rookie. Apples & oranges.

    Sorry, but no one's gonna buy that.
    He was still just a first time starter

    The Jets in 2009 went with Sanchez. While the team did go to the playoffs, Sanchez completed only 53.8% of his passes, thru 20 INT's to 12 TD's, had a avg QB rating of only 63. Doesn't exactly scream pro bowler. BTW, his backup was veteran Kellen Clemons who was in his fourth year & had started 8 games.

    Nice try, close.
    So now you are saying 8 starts is an experienced vet? Nice

    I'll give you Atlanta, so that's only 1. He did do well for them without a veteran backup, but they also had a good OL that year that only allowed 17 sacks.
    Holy shit.I am amazed

    What do you think the Vikings chances are of giving up only 17 sacks? LOL!

    Don't know until I see the team play under the new staff. My guess is they will give up more than that no matter who is under center.


    Lets also not forget Ryan was the 3rd pick in the draft & was projected to go very high. Ponder was projected to go way, way later than 12th.
    I don't care too much about projections.

    Again, don't have a problem with them starting Ponder if come regular season it looks like he knows the system well enough & can handle it, but we won't know that until then.
    Then why all of the drama?

    We aren't even sure if there'll be OTA's, minicamps or even much of a TC, so there's no way we can say at this point he's our guy without having a veteran backup QB on the roster that can go if he can't. Webb isn't ready yet IMO & Bomar is an absolute unknown.
    Good. It will be hard for other teams to scout and scheme against them then.


    The smart decision is to grab a veteran QB out of FA to fall back on if plan A fails.
    I don't have too much of a problem with that but then are you saying cut Bomar or cut Webb? Which one is better? Who is going to come here that is worth a damn knowing we have the QB of th future on the roster and that they have maybe less than a year to play here?
    I'd put Bomar on the practice squad or let him go. I believe there's still a lot of upside to Webb & still think he may pan out. I just don't feel he'd be ready to stick in there full time yet. Bomar never completed over 60% his entire college career, but had QB ratings of 113, 130 & 136. I don't know if college rankings are similar to NFL QB ratings, so I don't know if it means much.

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    So now you are saying 8 starts is an experienced vet? Nice
    I said you were close. While 8 starts isn't what I'd like to see, 8 starts & a fourth year veteran probably at least allowed Sanchez to feel a bit more at ease than he would if he were a second year guy with two starts.

    It's like what Culpepper was eluding to. Just the mere fact that a starting rookie QB knows there's a veteran backup QB on the sidelines that has his back & is capable of coming in if need be, takes a lot of the burden & pressure off the kids back & he's more at ease & relaxed.

    Remember Bubby Brister? (Don't know how old you were in 2000) He was that veteran presence on the sideline the year Culpepper was handed the reins. Culpepper was at ease knowing he was on the sidelines & we went 11-5 & won the division.

    The following year, Brister was let go, despite Culpepper lobbying to keep him and it mentally affected him & we went 5-11 that year.

    Todd Bouman & Spergon Wynn were our new inexperienced backup & most of us Remember how that panned out. It rattled Culpepper because Brister was let go & it affected his game big time. Linehan had to be his psychiatrist & help him mentally.

    The veteran backup presence on any team, serves a dual purpose for a rookie QB/team & IMO, is more important than many think.

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    Re: The Official Christian Ponder Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1096150
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1096147
    It says "Video not yet available in your country"

    Since you know a lot about Ponder, studying and all, How is his mobility & ability to elude the rush? Does he take off down field at the sign of danger of does he stay behind the LOS & try to find an open receiver?
    Maybe you should get back to gods country then

    I you look back to my draft QB video thread you will see how I ranked him. I had him in the top 3 with Mallet and Stanzi and in a WCO I would have him in the top 2 with Stanzi.

    He played at Florida State where Jimbo Fisher ran a pro style offense where Ponder lined up under center.

    When compared to Dalton, Gabbert, Newton, and Locker he was clearly more pro ready and was coached to look for the WR instead of pulling the ball down and running like they did much like Stanzi. He has great mobility in the pocket but doesn't abandon the play and run at the first sign of pressure like the ones mentioned above.

    I think his arm strength is just fine and while I will need to see how he plays when the pro defenses come after him I am happier with him as a pick than any QB in a very long time at this point.


    I suppose the only thing left is for you to evaluate his hand size and let us know if he is going to succeed based on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1096148
    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1096144
    Is it really safe to assume Atlanta had a better line than we do when they drafted Ryan? Weren't they like 2-14 the year before they drafted him?
    You do know they started Harrington that year don't you. Plus we have McKinnie & they don't.

    I know there OL did a lot better job of protecting in 2008 than they did in 2007 with Vick gone. Was there a major change in lineman between 2007 & 2008? Don't know.

    I do know we haven't successfully protected QB's without them getting injured & missing games since 2004. Considering where we drafted linemen in the draft, it's not safe to say there are new starters there.

    Both Webb & Jackson are very mobile QB's & our OL still got them both injured.
    Favre started 16 games in 2009.

    Jackson didn't get hurt because of the offensive line. Jackson got hurt because he was fragile. He got hurt in practice on more than one occasion, I'm pretty sure that can't be blamed on the line. How about his turf toe? Did McKinnie cause that one?

    And when did Webb get hurt? Do you mean the time he was returning a kickoff?

    Favre was sacked 22(of 36) times in 2010, 4 injuries(that we know about.)
    Favre was sacked 34(of 34) times in 2009, no injuries.

    Obviously that's a cut and dry explanation that leaves no room for grey-area, but it's factual, unlike pretty much everything else in this thread.

    I could probably just leave it there, but I'm bored:

    I'd like to point out that every injury sustained by Favre last season occurred while Peterson was not blocking(I don't mean that he failed blocking - he was on the sideline or running a route.)

    Favre's injuries in 2010:

    Green Bay - Ankle. 3 seconds to throw, hit low by a LB after stepping up in the pocket unnecessarily.

    New England - Stitches in the chin - Pryor beats Hutch and cuts Favre's chin open while leading with his helmet. Freak injury. Bad luck. The only reason Pryor beat him is because he went inside, then back out across Hutch's bad shoulder. Also, if Favre would get with the times and wear a hard chinstrap instead of that little piece of leather that he's had for 60 years he never would've left the field. Seriously, every QB in the league wears a hard chin strap for a reason. Peterson was running a wheel.

    Buffalo - Who knows what it was, he just got killed - Favre had at least 3 seconds, if not 4 to throw. Peterson not on the field.

    Chicago - Concussion - McKinnie got beat, no doubt. But we're playing on concrete at TCF. Does he get a concussion on a non-frozen field? Can't tell if it's Peterson or Booker, either way, he runs a route.

    Favre took a lot of hits because he held the ball for too long, but only one of them resulted in injury. Does that mean the line caused the others? No, definitely not. Or else Favre would have been hurt more in 2009 than 2010, you know, when he was sacked 35% more.

    2009 was our best season for sacks allowed since 1998. In 2010 we gave up only two more than that.

    A complete lack of consistency at WR is what hurt us, not the line. Not to mention the absence of sense in the way we approached passing downs. Removing the team's biggest offensive threat(Peterson) kind of lets the defense know what's coming. Sure we might run it with Gerhart or Taylor(in the past) once in a while when Peterson comes off the field, but teams are going to gamble when you have Jackson, Bollinger, an immobile Favre with no one to throw to, Gus Frerotte or Kelly Holcomb behind center.

    I really do not believe it's any more of the line's fault than it is: injuries at WR, horrible coaching, natural inability to stay healthy, and bad decision making by QBs.

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    Re: The Official Christian Ponder Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1096147
    Pretty good stuff there.

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    Ponder tested pretty good at the combine. The guy is an athlete.

    Favre got killed because he moved like an old Dan Marino. As wacky as Marrdo can be, that is the one thing about Favre he was right on.

    I personally do not believe our line is that bad. We had a lot of injuries last season and Loadholt regressed. Add in having NO 3RD DOWN BLITZ picker upper until week 4 (goes to show how inept Chilly was) with Statue Favre and it was a failure.

    I have faith in the guy we brought in from Carolina.

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