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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    I really wish they did differentiate what hole it was in so we could play around with that information.
    Lazy bastards.
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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    I always thought that L/R end referred to outside the OTs, L/R Guard were between OTs and OGs and middle were anywhere between the guards. But I have nothing to base it upon.

    Thanks to PPE for the sig.

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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    "Prophet" wrote:
    I really wish they did differentiate what hole it was in so we could play around with that information.
    Lazy bastards.
    yeah it really would make a world of difference.

    Knowing if we're running behind: McKinnie-Hutch, or Hutch-Birk, or Birk-Hicks, or god forbid Hicks-Cook; would seriously help. We'd know who we were running at, Redding or Rogers, Sims or some scrub LB.

    They had Shaun Rogers, Ernie Sims, and Kalimba Edwards on the left side(their right) those are 3 quality players... they don't stack up to McKinnie, Hutch, and Birk. So it still would be smart to run that way.

    On the right the Lions had Dewayne White(sucks), Cory Redding(good) and Boss Bailey(sucks).... but they're still better than Cook and Hicks.

    Basically, we should have run to the left significantly more.

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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    For people that are too lazy to click on the link, here's all you get from nfl.com (running plays included for Vikes):

    1-10-MIN 21
    (14:40) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 29 for 8 yards (97-B.Bailey, 50-E.Sims).

    1-10-MIN 40
    (13:47) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 44 for 4 yards (50-E.Sims).

    2-4-DET 40
    (11:55) 30-M.Moore left tackle to DET 37 for 3 yards (42-G.Alexander, 53-P.Lenon).

    3-1-DET 37
    (11:23) 30-M.Moore up the middle to DET 34 for 3 yards (42-G.Alexander).

    1-10-DET 34
    (10:45) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to DET 29 for 5 yards (75-S.Cody).

    1-10-MIN 20
    (6:35) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at MIN 29 for 9 yards (26-K.Kennedy).


    1-10-MIN 34
    (5:55) PENALTY on MIN-28-A.Peterson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 34 - No Play.

    2-5-MIN 39
    (5:01) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 42 for 3 yards (97-B.Bailey).

    2-10-MIN 13
    (:14) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 15 for 2 yards (42-G.Alexander).

    1-10-DET 43
    (10:58) 28-A.Peterson left end to DET 41 for 2 yards (21-T.Fisher; 53-P.Lenon).

    2-10-DET 31
    (9:49) 7-T.Jackson up the middle to DET 25 for 6 yards (50-E.Sims; 53-P.Lenon).

    1-1-DET 1
    (8:30) 7-T.Jackson right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

    1-10-MIN 14
    (5:00) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 10 for -4 yards (78-C.Redding).


    1-15-MIN 12
    (:50) 30-M.Moore left end to MIN 16 for 4 yards (53-P.Lenon).

    2-11-MIN 16
    (:40) 30-M.Moore up the middle to MIN 30 for 14 yards (21-T.Fisher).

    2-20-MIN 20
    (:19) 30-M.Moore right end pushed ob at MIN 29 for 9 yards (25-F.Bryant).


    3-16-MIN 24
    (:13) 30-M.Moore up the middle to MIN 41 for 17 yards (42-G.Alexander).

    1-10-DET 41
    (9:57) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to DET 43 for -2 yards (75-S.Cody).

    2-12-DET 43
    (9:28) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end to DET 42 for 1 yard (99-D.White; 78-C.Redding).

    1-10-DET 30
    (8:16) 28-A.Peterson right end to DET 29 for 1 yard (97-B.Bailey). PENALTY on DET-97-B.Bailey, Face Mask (15 Yards), 14 yards, enforced at DET 28.

    1-10-DET 14
    (7:50) 28-A.Peterson left end pushed ob at DET 10 for 4 yards (50-E.Sims).

    1-10-MIN 3
    (1:11) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 10 for 7 yards (26-K.Kennedy).

    2-3-MIN 10
    (:36) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 12 for 2 yards (53-P.Lenon).

    3-1-MIN 12
    (15:00) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 17 for 5 yards (23-K.Smith).

    2-10-MIN 17
    (14:18) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 15 for -2 yards (99-D.White).

    3-12-MIN 15 (13:35) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson scrambles up the middle to MIN 22 for 7 yards (78-C.Redding; 98-K.Edwards).


    2-2-MIN 24
    (10:46) 28-A.Peterson up the middle to MIN 28 for 4 yards (53-P.Lenon; 26-K.Kennedy).

    1-10-MIN 28
    (10:06) 28-A.Peterson left tackle to MIN 30 for 2 yards (26-K.Kennedy).

    1-10-MIN 33
    (5:22) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 31 for -2 yards (25-F.Bryant).

    2-12-MIN 31
    (4:40) 28-A.Peterson left end to MIN 38 for 7 yards (21-T.Fisher).

    3-5-MIN 38
    (3:55) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end to MIN 39 for 1 yard (93-C.Smith; 99-D.White).

    1-15-MIN 26
    (14:06) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 37 for 11 yards (93-C.Smith).

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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    "Prophet" wrote:
    I really wish they did differentiate what hole it was in so we could play around with that information.
    Lazy bastards.
    I used these stats last week to show where they were running. Last week they had guard listed as well. It doesn't give you the hole but is close enopugh. Unless you knew the play call and spent a lot of time with film, the hole would be difficult to determine.
    These stats still give a good general sense of run success.

    I thought Hicks had a hold, guess it was the guy next to him.!
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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    And here I thought we were going to talk about the pressure they had on us all day...as in Broke Down blocking assignments.
    Up front, they beat us on both sides of the ball for most of the day.
    TJack didn't have much time to work with, but he certainly did not put the ball where it was needed either!!
    I'm thinking much of the blame goes to our OLine and blocking in general, but some of those HUCK it in the air throws of his are unforgivable!
    He better knock off the stupid chucks!
    We were given every oppurtunity to win that game ???
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    Excellent stuff my friends.
    So much better info than the "Fire Childress" rants.
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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    I did notice that it seemed like Detroit was in our backfield a lot.
    I am going with the "second game of the season" theory on that one.
    It will improve steadily, I'm sure.
    Thankyou for posting something with facts and not just wild conjecture.

    Its better to lose the first game than the last one.

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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    "Mr" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    I really wish they did differentiate what hole it was in so we could play around with that information.
    Lazy bastards.
    yeah it really would make a world of difference.

    Knowing if we're running behind: McKinnie-Hutch, or Hutch-Birk, or Birk-Hicks, or god forbid Hicks-Cook; would seriously help. We'd know who we were running at, Redding or Rogers, Sims or some scrub LB.

    They had Shaun Rogers, Ernie Sims, and Kalimba Edwards on the left side(their right) those are 3 quality players... they don't stack up to McKinnie, Hutch, and Birk. So it still would be smart to run that way.

    On the right the Lions had Dewayne White(sucks), Cory Redding(good) and Boss Bailey(sucks).... but they're still better than Cook and Hicks.

    Basically, we should have run to the left significantly more.
    I am going to watch the game on Wed and use this info and figure it out!

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    Re: O-line breakdown vs Detroit.

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    I really wish they did differentiate what hole it was in so we could play around with that information.
    Lazy bastards.
    yeah it really would make a world of difference.

    Knowing if we're running behind: McKinnie-Hutch, or Hutch-Birk, or Birk-Hicks, or god forbid Hicks-Cook; would seriously help. We'd know who we were running at, Redding or Rogers, Sims or some scrub LB.

    They had Shaun Rogers, Ernie Sims, and Kalimba Edwards on the left side(their right) those are 3 quality players... they don't stack up to McKinnie, Hutch, and Birk. So it still would be smart to run that way.

    On the right the Lions had Dewayne White(sucks), Cory Redding(good) and Boss Bailey(sucks).... but they're still better than Cook and Hicks.

    Basically, we should have run to the left significantly more.
    I am going to watch the game on Wed and use this info and figure it out!
    lol, break down every play in slow motion and give us the breakdown.
    We want the number of steps before the hole is hit, which hole, type of block, how the opponent got through for the tackle....every damn detail that you can find.
    It would be nice if you could throw the nonverbal communication in and facial expressions too.
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