Not to criticize play calling... but....

**BleedinPandG** · 11-02-2009, 01:49 PM

When the heck are we going to run some sort of counter play?
I don't care if it's a full fledged reverse with AD handing it off to BB or pH going the other direction or simply an end around.
We have got to do SOMETHING to keep the weak side of the D honest... yesterday Clay Matthews was killing us by coming out of that outside LB position and pursuing from the backside... he never stayed home, never kept backside contain, and we never ran anything that attacked that over aggressiveness.
With all the attention and defenders AD draws when he has the ball, the stage is set perfectly for something going the other way, fast... and we know Favre loves to block!
Yeah we're winning... year we're scoring 30+ points a game... but man, if we could get the D to play AD a little more honestly with some counters and reverses, we might be able to go blow for blow with New Orleans!

**midgensa** · 11-02-2009, 01:52 PM

"BleedinPandG" wrote:

When the heck are we going to run some sort of counter play?
I don't care if it's a full fledged reverse with AD handing it off to BB or pH going the other direction or simply an end around.
We have got to do SOMETHING to keep the weak side of the D honest... yesterday Clay Matthews was killing us by coming out of that outside LB position and pursuing from the backside... he never stayed home, never kept backside contain, and we never ran anything that attacked that over aggressiveness.
With all the attention and defenders AD draws when he has the ball, the stage is set perfectly for something going the other way, fast... and we know Favre loves to block!
Yeah we're winning... year we're scoring 30+ points a game... but man, if we could get the D to play AD a little more honestly with some counters and reverses, we might be able to go blow for blow with New Orleans!

What makes you think we can't go blow for blow with New Orleans? The media hacks who all picked the Ravens and Packers to beat us?

Those kind of plays are the ones you can ONLY run a few times a year at most ... in a game where we pretty much had total control except for a ten minute period ... no reason to pull the rabbit out of the hat already.

**V-Unit** · 11-02-2009, 01:58 PM

I recall one tackle for a loss early in the game in which McKinnie slipped, giving Matthews a free run to stop AD. Otherwise, not sure what there is to complain about here. AD had two big time runs and a huge screen pass.

Sure a reverse might be nice, but it seems we are shying away from the horizontal attack. This is Brad Childress. Reverses will be rare, we have featured almost zero wildcat plays, and we are averaging 30 points per game, as you said.

**Marrdro** · 11-02-2009, 01:59 PM

My opinion.........

We all know that the Chiller likes to play it close to the vest keeping his intention know only to the ones that need to know it.

We changed our blocking scheme a bit for a reason.
My guess is to simplify what our OLmen are supposed to do in the case of a misdirection play.

Are we seeing the misdirection plays?
No.
Will we see the misdirection plays?
Could we have used something like that in the Steelers game? Yes but to what end.
One extra win....

Again, my guess here, but yes, but not until we need to and this team shouldn't need to until much later in the season.

**BleedinPandG** · 11-02-2009, 02:07 PM

"Marrdro" wrote:

My opinion.........

We all know that the Chiller likes to play it close to the vest keeping his intention know only to the ones that need to know it.

We changed our blocking scheme a bit for a reason.
My guess is to simplify what our OLmen are supposed to do in the case of a misdirection play.

Are we seeing the misdirection plays?
No.
Will we see the misdirection plays?
Could we have used something like that in the Steelers game? Yes but to what end.
One extra win....

Again, my guess here, but yes, but not until we need to and this team shouldn't need to until much later in the season.

Interesting... I could have sworn you mocked me for saying we hadn't used the wildcat because we simply didn't need to, no reason to show our hand early... and now you're implying we're not doing things for exactly that reason?

I guess the reason I want to see these plays happens is NOT because I want to see us score on that 1 play... it's because I want to see AD start getting 3+ yards every carry vs 0, -1, 2, 0, -2, 40 which is about how his game went yesterday.
Sure, it'd be great to catch a D napping and take a reverse all the way for a score but our team would be better off showing a play like that, making the D game play for the possibility, and taking advantage of a DE/LB not over-pusuing and catching AD from the backside all game long.
Our coaches have shown the desire to do that (remember the punt formation in preseason?), to put things on tape, but for some reason they're keeping this in their pockets.

**Marrdro** · 11-02-2009, 02:15 PM

"BleedinPandG" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

My opinion.........

We all know that the Chiller likes to play it close to the vest keeping his intention know only to the ones that need to know it.

We changed our blocking scheme a bit for a reason.
My guess is to simplify what our OLmen are supposed to do in the case of a misdirection play.

Are we seeing the misdirection plays?
No.
Will we see the misdirection plays?
Could we have used something like that in the Steelers game? Yes but to what end.
One extra win....

Again, my guess here, but yes, but not until we need to and this team shouldn't need to until much later in the season.

Interesting... I could have sworn you mocked me for saying we hadn't used the wildcat because we simply didn't need to, no reason to show our hand early... and now you're implying we're not doing things for exactly that reason?

I guess the reason I want to see these plays happens is NOT because I want to see us score on that 1 play... it's because I want to see AD start getting 3+ yards every carry vs 0, -1, 2, 0, -2, 40 which is about how his game went yesterday.
Sure, it'd be great to catch a D napping and take a reverse all the way for a score but our team would be better off showing a play like that, making the D game play for the possibility, and taking advantage of a DE/LB not over-pusuing and catching AD from the backside all game long.
Our coaches have shown the desire to do that (remember the punt formation in preseason?), to put things on tape, but for some reason they're keeping this in their pockets.

I only mock chuckleheads and select yutz's.
You, my friend are not a chucklehead nor are you a yutz.

Having said that, can't remember who I engaged on this whole blocking scheme change (actually its just a tweek)
with, thought it was you, could have been Uffda or EJmat, anyway, who ever it was with, I think I articulated that I am firmly convinced we changed the blocking scheme to limit penalties that could be incurred by our OLmen as they try to engage defensive players in thier respective zones when we do start running the Wildcat (Misdirection) plays.

So thinking about that, not sure why I would "mock" you over it.
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**slavinator** · 11-02-2009, 02:19 PM

I have been critical in the past about the playcalling but not this year.
I really like what they are doing.
We HAVE run several reverse-misdirection plays this year, just none in the Packer game.
Chilly is pretty conservative and will only use these gimmicks a la the way his mentor Andy Reid uses them, sparingly and at the least expected times.
Other than that you get the same flatline approach every week.........

**Redmption** · 11-02-2009, 02:21 PM

Like how we went for it on 4th down twice... But everyone crying how we didnt at the Steelers 1; The Pack stuffed AP for a loss on one 4th down, and we all know the Steelers have a much better D, so everyone blasting Chilly last week got the perfect answer of why three points is better than none, even with all mighty Peterson

**oaklandzoo24** · 11-02-2009, 02:21 PM

I loved the screen pass to AD.
Why we don't run it more drives me nuckin futs.

**slavinator** · 11-02-2009, 02:24 PM

"oaklandzoo24" wrote:

I loved the screen pass to AD.
Why we don't run it more drives me nuckin futs.

I know that was awesome!
We used it at the end of the Steelers game, and tried once or twice before in the Packer game.
I think it is a great way to get AP to the 2nd level of the defense, especially since they think run only with him in the game, and screen only when CT is in the game.