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    Are Minnesotans Hypocrites?

    The Vikings stadium keeps getting turned down because the state doesn't want to help pay for it but........

    The Excel Energy Center was funded by the state

    The Target Center was bought by the city of Minneapolis in 1995

    Target Field was funded by a Hennepin Count sales Tax

    TCF Bank Stadium was funded by the state paying 40 percent of the cost

    So why are the Vikings the Red Headed Step Child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadlandsVikings View Post
    The Vikings stadium keeps getting turned down because the state doesn't want to help pay for it but........

    The Excel Energy Center was funded by the state

    The Target Center was bought by the city of Minneapolis in 1995

    Target Field was funded by a Hennepin Count sales Tax

    TCF Bank Stadium was funded by the state paying 40 percent of the cost

    So why are the Vikings the Red Headed Step Child?
    All of the above stadiums/arenas were funded while not in a recession

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    All of the above stadiums/arenas were funded while not in a recession
    As a Vikings stadium could have. Plans were in place before the recession. They have ignored it far too long. Now it will bite them in the ass when the Vikings leave.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    None of those stadiums cost a billion dollars either. It would be an easier thing ti pass if it was only 300 million or less like those were. That is a damn big jump to go from the cost of Excel, Target field etc to what the Vikings want. And it would not hurt anyone if the scaled it back a bit to bring the cost down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    None of those stadiums cost a billion dollars either. It would be an easier thing ti pass if it was only 300 million or less like those were. That is a damn big jump to go from the cost of Excel, Target field etc to what the Vikings want. And it would not hurt anyone if the scaled it back a bit to bring the cost down.
    It is a big jump, but Target Field cost $545 million to build (about $640 million in 2011 dollars) and the football stadium has been proposed as low as $800 million ... so that is about a $150 million difference ... not that huge, and certainly nowhere near the $700m difference you are insinuating.

    Target Center on the other hand was only about $175 million in today's dollars, and of course can serve two sports.

    Also ... football stadiums are almost always the most expensive because they also return the most bang for the buck. They are much larger than the other stadiums, so it would make sense that it would cost much more.

    The recession definitely does not help. And the constant state of flux about what the exact costs would be do not help either. But Minnesota definitely sticks out as an area that built for the other teams and it telling its most popular team to hit the bricks. Many will compare it to Seattle who built for football and baseball but would not accommodate their popular basketball team, but the Sonics were not the biggest show in town. The Vikings are. Which is why ... eventually ... this will likely get done.

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    Minnesota voters put Michele Bachmann in the House of Representatives. That's all I need to know.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mac D View Post
    Minnesota voters put Michele Bachmann in the House of Representatives. That's all I need to know.
    Shit ... Los Angeles Vikings it is.

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    [QUOTE=Purple Floyd;1114620]None of those stadiums cost a billion dollars either. It would be an easier thing ti pass if it was only 300 million or less like those were. That is a damn big jump to go from the cost of Excel, Target field etc to what the Vikings want. And it would not hurt anyone if the scaled it back a bit to bring the cost down.[/QUOTE]

    Isn't that what they did with the Metrodome? Then mother nature huffed and puffed and blew the roof down. (A few times). Follow the example of the third little pig and build it right.

    Maybe then the team won't be looking for another stadium halfway thru the lease.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    [QUOTE=marshallvike;1114632]
    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    None of those stadiums cost a billion dollars either. It would be an easier thing ti pass if it was only 300 million or less like those were. That is a damn big jump to go from the cost of Excel, Target field etc to what the Vikings want. And it would not hurt anyone if the scaled it back a bit to bring the cost down.[/QUOTE]

    Isn't that what they did with the Metrodome? Then mother nature huffed and puffed and blew the roof down. (A few times). Follow the example of the third little pig and build it right.

    Maybe then the team won't be looking for another stadium halfway thru the lease.
    I am not defending the Metrodome plan. But some where in between the dome and what they have on the table is a happy medium that can bring the team money and still be more cost effective. Personally I would start by either having a fixed roof or no roof at all. The team has no say in whether it is open or closed and it would never be left open for a playoff game so if the weather is never going to be a factor in a game then I say keep it closed all of the time and save the money.

    Other than that there are many other places to save money without impacting the bottom line or the function if they were serious about it. But after what went on this afternoon it may be a moot point and I may have overestimated the leadership.

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    I had a long post all typed up, then deleted it. I cannot believe how this has played out, and I do blame all parties, including the Vikings to a certain extent.

    And though I do not want to turn this into a political debate, if you are not willing to give public money to a stadium, than in my opinion no money should be given to any business, to include tax breaks and incentive money. I only ask that people stay consistent in their beliefs. If the Vikings get no money, neither does any business asking for a break for expansion or relocation.

    Just my thoughts.

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