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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

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    So I値l take my chances on McNabb and Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin. I値l take my chances on new Coach Leslie Frazier, figuring he痴 more Don Shula than David Shula. I値l take my chances on the Vikings bringing joy to Minneapolis-St. Paul and Couch Slouch, USA.
    My favorite part of this whole offseason is the supposed lack of weapons at WR on our team... well Percy is in year 3, will see the most tosses his way, and now has an offensive coordinator who seems to have imagination with his playmakers... (did I mention he's in Year 3? )
    No one has a problem with Harvin being a weapon, if the migraines don't return, but I don't think they'll use him as a balls out deep receiver.

    Now put him in the weapons group & look at the remaining WR's. What do you see?
    First, why would you use him deep? Second, why is everyone looking for a deep threat?

    Dink Dunk my friends, dink dunk. :whistle:
    You would use him deep because he is fast enough to create seperation.

    And Berrian hasn't been able to fill our deep threat role.

    No one is saying play out of the west coast. We are aware it will be mostly dink and dunk. But you also need to take shots

    Doesn't need to be Harvin everytime but he is able to run streaks
    I actually think that BB, PH and Jenkins will all get shots at going deep. Its going to be available just because of the scheme and who the RB is.

    I guess I'm just not as upset about this WR corps as some on here are.
    Count me in your boat. I think our receiving corps is fine.

    Sure, I would have loved to have seen us keep Rice or go get a James Jones, Malcolm Floyd or even Braylon Edwards. But I am still fairly comfy with who we've got.

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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

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    So I値l take my chances on McNabb and Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin. I値l take my chances on new Coach Leslie Frazier, figuring he痴 more Don Shula than David Shula. I値l take my chances on the Vikings bringing joy to Minneapolis-St. Paul and Couch Slouch, USA.
    My favorite part of this whole offseason is the supposed lack of weapons at WR on our team... well Percy is in year 3, will see the most tosses his way, and now has an offensive coordinator who seems to have imagination with his playmakers... (did I mention he's in Year 3? )
    No one has a problem with Harvin being a weapon, if the migraines don't return, but I don't think they'll use him as a balls out deep receiver.

    Now put him in the weapons group & look at the remaining WR's. What do you see?
    First, why would you use him deep? Second, why is everyone looking for a deep threat?

    Dink Dunk my friends, dink dunk. :whistle:
    You would use him deep because he is fast enough to create seperation.

    And Berrian hasn't been able to fill our deep threat role.

    No one is saying play out of the west coast. We are aware it will be mostly dink and dunk. But you also need to take shots

    Doesn't need to be Harvin everytime but he is able to run streaks
    I actually think that BB, PH and Jenkins will all get shots at going deep. Its going to be available just because of the scheme and who the RB is.

    I guess I'm just not as upset about this WR corps as some on here are.
    Count me in your boat. I think our receiving corps is fine.

    Sure, I would have loved to have seen us keep Rice or go get a James Jones, Malcolm Floyd or even Braylon Edwards. But I am still fairly comfy with who we've got.
    Agree. Really fits the scheme, based on what I think they are going to try to do, especially early on.

    As the season wears on, and people get in synch, I think this is gonna be a very dangerous offense.
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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

    ^ As in KAD? (kick ass dangerous)
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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

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    I agree.

    Destined to be 6-10 once again.
    I don't. I honestly believe that we are a solid 8-8 team. With a little luck, even better...
    In some years I would agree with that but it looks like the NFC is starting to reload with talent and I don't think we have the roster to hang with the big dogs right now.

    Obviously injuries and such are going to play a role in how things shake out and in the division if Cutler, Rodgers or Stafford go down it will harm their potential more than ours will if McChunky goes down.

    But seriously- name the last time the NFC Norris has been as stacked with talent as it is this year from top to bottom. And I would not write off the Lions either. They have a new staff and new talent with a new attitude and they just might be on the verge of a transformation similar to what Tampa went through a decade or so ago.

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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

    The division is very tough indeed, but there is some hope yet.

    I personally believe that both GB and Chi got more than a little lucky last year, especially the Packers. They seemed to have the perfect timing to get good teams when they were down. Their opponents always seemed to have serious injury problems the week before facing them, and other teams just self-destructed when facing them.

    Some will claim (mostly Packer fans) that they made their own luck, but when looked at fairly, a LOT of breaks fell their way that had nothing to do with them. Many will also claim that they had their own serious injury bug to deal with, but most of theirs were to non-essential personnel.

    As for the Bears, I think they were actually the better team last year, but they got a bit of help as well.

    For this upcoming season, I am betting that both of them take small steps backward, while we and the Lions forge ahead. The Lions have done the best IMO in drafting and FA acquisitions, while the Pack and Bears just kind of coasted for the most part, only picking up one or two impact players. And we all know what the Vikings have done.

    So my money says that Green Bay and Chicago drop by a game or two each, and Minny and Detroit each gain a couple.

    That's not enough to get us into playoff contention yet, but I think it bodes well for the future.

    The moves that have been made tell me very strongly that we're not trying to win it all this year. We seem to be walking the thin line of trying to build for the future without mortgaging what we already have. There's definitely a youth movement going on, which also helps cap-wise. At the same time, there is most certainly a good bit of cap-shuffling being done in order to make room to re-sign our vital cogs. Greenway is done, Peterson can't be too far behind. But things have to be done in a certain order just to make sure that they can all be done at all.

    The one thing that suffers when you have to do things that way, is that you can't really bring in any big money splashy players. McNabb was our only big name move, and will probably remain our only one.

    I don't know if our approach will be the correct one in the long run, but I am willing to let things play themselves out and hope for the best. It may not look that much better for this one season, but I do believe it will pay off in the long run.

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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1107510
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    Quote Originally Posted by "carta4eva" #1107492
    So I値l take my chances on McNabb and Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin. I値l take my chances on new Coach Leslie Frazier, figuring he痴 more Don Shula than David Shula. I値l take my chances on the Vikings bringing joy to Minneapolis-St. Paul and Couch Slouch, USA.
    My favorite part of this whole offseason is the supposed lack of weapons at WR on our team... well Percy is in year 3, will see the most tosses his way, and now has an offensive coordinator who seems to have imagination with his playmakers... (did I mention he's in Year 3? )
    No one has a problem with Harvin being a weapon, if the migraines don't return, but I don't think they'll use him as a balls out deep receiver.

    Now put him in the weapons group & look at the remaining WR's. What do you see?
    First, why would you use him deep? Second, why is everyone looking for a deep threat?

    Dink Dunk my friends, dink dunk. :whistle:
    You need to have a deep threat & throw the ball deep occasionally in a dink & dunk offense.

    If you don't, you've brought more defenders up in to the pocket, thereby limiting not only what AD can do, but also making it more difficult for receivers & TE's to get open.

    How often did we see that last year with Rice out?

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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

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    So I値l take my chances on McNabb and Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin. I値l take my chances on new Coach Leslie Frazier, figuring he痴 more Don Shula than David Shula. I値l take my chances on the Vikings bringing joy to Minneapolis-St. Paul and Couch Slouch, USA.
    My favorite part of this whole offseason is the supposed lack of weapons at WR on our team... well Percy is in year 3, will see the most tosses his way, and now has an offensive coordinator who seems to have imagination with his playmakers... (did I mention he's in Year 3? )
    No one has a problem with Harvin being a weapon, if the migraines don't return, but I don't think they'll use him as a balls out deep receiver.

    Now put him in the weapons group & look at the remaining WR's. What do you see?
    First, why would you use him deep? Second, why is everyone looking for a deep threat?

    Dink Dunk my friends, dink dunk. :whistle:
    You need to have a deep threat & throw the ball deep occasionally in a dink & dunk offense.

    If you don't, you've brought more defenders up in to the pocket, thereby limiting not only what AD can do, but also making it more difficult for receivers & TE's to get open.

    How often did we see that last year with Rice out?
    I agree with you on that little point my friend and you will never see me say otherwise.

    But it will be one or two shots a half, nothing more, nothing less, unless of course, as I've said a bunch, if we are behind.

    As to the "Stacked Box" comment. Teams have been facing stacked boxes since RB's started carrying the ball. When the box is stacked (8th man), it is always stacked to one side. All you have to do is seal that side and you negate the stacked box.

    Kindof why the Zone Blocking scheme and the One Cut Back go hand in hand against a stacked box. The onus falls to either the C or G to disengage from thier double and get to the next level and engage the guy (usually a LB'r) to the point the stacker is sealed off as well.

    The back initially runs at that stack (goes back to the 2 Step stuff Theenimy was telling AD in that clip we watched last year), then cuts back behind the sealer to a blocking scheme that is usually one on one.

    In short, the last thing I'm worried about this year is a deep ball reciever or a stacked box.
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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

    At first I thought this thread was a joke, I've since had a change of heart, probably only for the next hour or so.

    I was just watching NFLN, they were talking about the Steelers vs the Ravens. How it's a must win, even though it's only week 1. With Big Mac starting at LT, maybe the most important position on offense, the ravens lose their must win. No way Big Mac(with extra cheese) can block Harrison, for even a quarter. Maybe I'll have my foot in my mouth soon, but with Charlie Johnson, we have a serious shot against teams like Burgh or the Bears. If he can take 3 fluid steps backwards and delay a great pass rusher like Harrison or Peppers for even a half second, were light-years ahead in our passing game.

    Don't get me wrong McKinnie isn't awful, sometimes he's pretty damn good, but we all know when he struggles, he struggles. Miserably. Maybe a little less flash and little more consistency on our part we can be a team of destiny. We do have some pretty fucking good football players on this team.

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    Re: With McNabb, Vikings are the 2011 Team of Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1107685
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1107653
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1107510
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1107495
    Quote Originally Posted by "carta4eva" #1107492
    So I値l take my chances on McNabb and Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin. I値l take my chances on new Coach Leslie Frazier, figuring he痴 more Don Shula than David Shula. I値l take my chances on the Vikings bringing joy to Minneapolis-St. Paul and Couch Slouch, USA.
    My favorite part of this whole offseason is the supposed lack of weapons at WR on our team... well Percy is in year 3, will see the most tosses his way, and now has an offensive coordinator who seems to have imagination with his playmakers... (did I mention he's in Year 3? )
    No one has a problem with Harvin being a weapon, if the migraines don't return, but I don't think they'll use him as a balls out deep receiver.

    Now put him in the weapons group & look at the remaining WR's. What do you see?
    First, why would you use him deep? Second, why is everyone looking for a deep threat?

    Dink Dunk my friends, dink dunk. :whistle:
    You need to have a deep threat & throw the ball deep occasionally in a dink & dunk offense.

    If you don't, you've brought more defenders up in to the pocket, thereby limiting not only what AD can do, but also making it more difficult for receivers & TE's to get open.

    How often did we see that last year with Rice out?
    I agree with you on that little point my friend and you will never see me say otherwise.

    But it will be one or two shots a half, nothing more, nothing less, unless of course, as I've said a bunch, if we are behind.

    As to the "Stacked Box" comment. Teams have been facing stacked boxes since RB's started carrying the ball. When the box is stacked (8th man), it is always stacked to one side. All you have to do is seal that side and you negate the stacked box.

    Kindof why the Zone Blocking scheme and the One Cut Back go hand in hand against a stacked box. The onus falls to either the C or G to disengage from thier double and get to the next level and engage the guy (usually a LB'r) to the point the stacker is sealed off as well.

    The back initially runs at that stack (goes back to the 2 Step stuff Theenimy was telling AD in that clip we watched last year), then cuts back behind the sealer to a blocking scheme that is usually one on one.

    In short, the last thing I'm worried about this year is a deep ball reciever or a stacked box.
    I think Harvin can be used deep... he just hasn't had many opportunities downfield but has made a few plays when given the chance, and while I agree he is best used in the slant, hitch, drag route game... why not use one of your best playmakers in all areas of the field?
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Count me in your boat. I think our receiving corps is fine.

    Sure, I would have loved to have seen us keep Rice or go get a James Jones, Malcolm Floyd or even Braylon Edwards. But I am still fairly comfy with who we've got.
    Do you still feel we are fine after seeing Rodgers light up the Saints?

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