Thread: Maybe Vikings were right about Culpepper and Moss

"singersp" wrote:

"Billy" wrote:

Regardless of wether or not Moss produces this year they were still right to get rid of him.
They got more for him then the Raiders and he was becoming somewhat malignant.

I could go on and on about how they were right about Culpepper. I would never question that unless he gets his team a superbowl.

God I hope that never happens or we'll never hear the end of it from the DC crotch sniffers.

Even if Pep ever makes it to the Superbowl it doesn't mean anything.
The fact is while he was with the Vikings he under achieved.
He may have had the stats sometimes but that means nothing.
Only 2 years of playoffs is nothing special.
They parted ways at the right time with Pep.
Sure, he may revive his career but right now he is even more of a question mark than TJack.
Crotch sniffer or not I'm glad Pep is elsewhere.

As far as Moss goes, I will always miss Moss.
He will contribute in NE.
He may not be the premier player there but he is with a good franchise.
I honestly believe if his team is winning he doesn't cause waves.
If NE starts losing that will be a different story.
I think he will be quite content if the Pats are superbowl contenders.
they have a bunch of good players and all of them seem to be good team players.
The funny thing will be if they do start going down it will prove you do not need stars to win in this league.
They did it for years without any true superstars.
Just good players that can play well with their teammates.

Getting rid of CP was the right thing to do and actually the only thing that could be done since he basically forced the trade.

Moss's lack of production in Oakland had more to do with the Raiders than Moss.
The Raiders just flat suck as a team these days.
Everyone was hoping to get traded off that team the last couple of years.
The Raiders will be a train wreck until Al Davis dies and the team passes to someone else.
I am still a little pissed off that Red squirrel sucker McComb traded Randy.
He may have lost a step but when you are starting out two steps ahead of everyone else..............you get my meaning.
I think he will have a great year in NE and the Pats are going to be just plain scary on offense.

it was a good idea to get rid of pep i think we got a good deal outta him, as for moss i dont think it was such a great idea

Even if unloading Moss and Culpepper were good moves in hindsight, I don't think they could be attributed to being 'smart' moves. I hated losing Moss, especially since I didn't think we got fair value at the time; but, his exit was more circumstance than design. If he hadn't become an embarrasment, in the eyes of team management, he would never have been traded. Culpepper was even less of a planned exit. He engineered that little move. Both of those trades were haphazard deals that had NOTHING to do with brilliance on the part of management.

"HornedHat" wrote:

If he hadn't become an embarrassment, in the eyes of team management, he would never have been traded.

He was not traded because he was an embarrassment.
He was traded because at the end of the season McCombs was ranting in his office about whose fault it was that we lost.
Moss told him to his face the reason we lost is because he (McCombs) was too cheap to spend the 30 mil in cap we had on a defense instead of pocketing it. Two weeks later cheap ass McCombs traded him for speaking up and telling him the truth.
Everyone was surprised, even Tice, that Moss was traded if you remember.
It was a McCombs deal pure and simple because he didn't like being told what a cheap ass owner he was.


The whole thing still pisses me off.
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Sort of my point. He was an embarrasment to Red. Has nothing to do with right or wrong. Management (McCombs) was embarrased.

All I know is that with half-healthy Moss and a fully healthy Culpepper we had one of the best offenses in the league and made the playoffs.
And even when we lost they were at least fun to watch.
Now we have one of the worst offenses in team history and even when we win (rarely), they aren't very fun to watch.
We had and have plenty of cap space, so I don't think the cap savings have helped us that much, especially when we use it on guys like Bobby Wade and Visanthe Shanicoe.

"VikemanX84" wrote:

All I know is that with half-healthy Moss and a fully healthy Culpepper we had one of the best offenses in the league and made the playoffs.
And even when we lost they were at least fun to watch.
Now we have one of the worst offenses in team history and even when we win (rarely), they aren't very fun to watch.
We had and have plenty of cap space, so I don't think the cap savings have helped us that much, especially when we use it on guys like Bobby Wade and Visanthe Shanicoe.

WHAT?
Give me a freaking break.
With Moss and Culpepper together we had an overall regular season record of 39-41!
Yes, they made the playoffs twice.
Once in 2000 on their own merit.
And once in 2004 where they just didn't suck as much as everybody else (8-8 record? Come on).
And watching the 2000-2005 Vikings defense was about as fun as a root canal.

Give Childress the same amount of time - 5 years -, and I guarantee that not only will we have a winning record, but we will be in the playoffs too.

"ejmat" wrote:

Even if Pep ever makes it to the Superbowl it doesn't mean anything.
The fact is while he was with the Vikings he under achieved.
He may have had the stats sometimes but that means nothing.
Only 2 years of playoffs is nothing special.
They parted ways at the right time with Pep.
Sure, he may revive his career but right now he is even more of a question mark than TJack.
Crotch sniffer or not I'm glad Pep is elsewhere.

Then I guess that means Moss's stats or any other players stats on the Vikings those years means nothing. Right?


While 2 years in the playoffs is nothing special to you, it's 2 more than a lot of teams in the NFL had.
There are teams out there who wish they'd have made it twice in as many years.

The big problem when culpepper + moss was here was the defense was so bad that these two pretty much had to win the games by themselves. as we all know, without much defense you do not win in this league.