Thread: Matt Birk

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

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....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
[/quote]

A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

[/quote]

Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
[/quote]

We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893983#msg893983 date=1231425564]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893979#msg893979 date=1231425329]
[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893972#msg893972 date=1231424898]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893957#msg893957 date=1231423798]
....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
[/quote]

A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

[/quote]

Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

Who stated that is what I measure?
I believe you were the one that brought it up initially.
I responded to what you had typed.
Yes it is a part of evaluating a coach.
Not the entire conclusion as you are implying here.

"kevoncox" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

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[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893972#msg893972 date=1231424898]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893957#msg893957 date=1231423798]
....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
[/quote]

A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

[/quote]

Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
[/quote]

We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?
[/quote]

What about the other games they came back in this year?
It was just the Giants.
Regardless of who it is it is a meansurement of heart and reiliancy.
I am pretty tired of people using the Giants 2nd stringers to try and downgrade what the VIkings did.
It makes no sense.
Remember, the VIkings led when the starters were in.
The Giants 2nd stringers talent is not much different than the 1st string.
Out of the 3 offensive possessions the Vikings had against their "second stringers" (which by the way all get playing time in rotations for every other game) they scored on 2 of them.
The only one they didn't was due to a INT in the endzone.

"jorgie" wrote:

According to the PP today Matt Birk, 6 time Pro Bowler and probably the best center in the NFL doesn't get along well with Brad Childress.

I think we all know what that means. :'(

That sucks but Chillys the coach gotta go

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

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[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893972#msg893972 date=1231424898]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893957#msg893957 date=1231423798]
....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
[/quote]

A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

[/quote]

Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
[/quote]

We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?
[/quote]

What about the other games they came back in this year?
It was just the Giants.
Regardless of who it is it is a meansurement of heart and reiliancy.
I am pretty tired of people using the Giants 2nd stringers to try and downgrade what the VIkings did.
It makes no sense.
Remember, the VIkings led when the starters were in.
The Giants 2nd stringers talent is not much different than the 1st string.
Out of the 3 offensive possessions the Vikings had against their "second stringers" (which by the way all get playing time in rotations for every other game) they scored on 2 of them.
The only one they didn't was due to a INT in the endzone.

[/quote]

Congrats we ahve proven we can come back against a teams 2nd stringers. Congrats. Yes we had a 1 pt lead over the Gmen starters. Surely that was goign to continue because their starters are of lesser talent than their 2nd stringers...Oh wait..they arent!!!

"kevoncox" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

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[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893972#msg893972 date=1231424898]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893957#msg893957 date=1231423798]
....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
[/quote]

A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

[/quote]

Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
[/quote]

We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?
[/quote]

i was never using that as an argument about who's better, you just essentially said that the ability to come back from behind doesn't make a good coach, when its very important.

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

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[quote author=ejmat link=topic=50054.msg894013#msg894013 date=1231427294]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg894006#msg894006 date=1231426938]
[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893983#msg893983 date=1231425564]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893979#msg893979 date=1231425329]
[quote author=Prophet link=topic=50054.msg893972#msg893972 date=1231424898]
[quote author=kevoncox link=topic=50054.msg893957#msg893957 date=1231423798]
....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
[/quote]

A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

[/quote]

Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
[/quote]

We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?
[/quote]

What about the other games they came back in this year?
It was just the Giants.
Regardless of who it is it is a meansurement of heart and reiliancy.
I am pretty tired of people using the Giants 2nd stringers to try and downgrade what the VIkings did.
It makes no sense.
Remember, the VIkings led when the starters were in.
The Giants 2nd stringers talent is not much different than the 1st string.
Out of the 3 offensive possessions the Vikings had against their "second stringers" (which by the way all get playing time in rotations for every other game) they scored on 2 of them.
The only one they didn't was due to a INT in the endzone.

[/quote]

Congrats we ahve proven we can come back against a teams 2nd stringers. Congrats. Yes we had a 1 pt lead over the Gmen starters. Surely that was goign to continue because their starters are of lesser talent than their 2nd stringers...Oh wait..they arent!!!
[/quote]

You can continue to use that argument and I will continue to tell you 2nd stringers in the NFL does not mean they are bad players.
They are the same people that substitute in and out of games with the starters.
Just as Robison does for Edwards.
Just as Gordon Sapp does in the nickle defense.
It is one thing to try to make a point but at least know a little something about it when you do.
Your comments that state "they only beat a 2nd string team" is a load of crap.

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ejmat" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

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....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
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A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
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I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

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Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
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good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
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We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?
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What about the other games they came back in this year?
It was just the Giants.
Regardless of who it is it is a meansurement of heart and reiliancy.
I am pretty tired of people using the Giants 2nd stringers to try and downgrade what the VIkings did.
It makes no sense.
Remember, the VIkings led when the starters were in.
The Giants 2nd stringers talent is not much different than the 1st string.
Out of the 3 offensive possessions the Vikings had against their "second stringers" (which by the way all get playing time in rotations for every other game) they scored on 2 of them.
The only one they didn't was due to a INT in the endzone.

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Congrats we ahve proven we can come back against a teams 2nd stringers. Congrats. Yes we had a 1 pt lead over the Gmen starters. Surely that was goign to continue because their starters are of lesser talent than their 2nd stringers...Oh wait..they arent!!!
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You can continue to use that argument and I will continue to tell you 2nd stringers in the NFL does not mean they are bad players.
They are the same people that substitute in and out of games with the starters.
Just as Robison does for Edwards.
Just as Gordon Sapp does in the nickle defense.
It is one thing to try to make a point but at least know a little something about it when you do.
Your comments that state "they only beat a 2nd string team" is a load of crap.
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No if they were better they would be starting. A nickle corner typically covers the teams 3rd best WR or in the case of the primary WR being placed in the slot, will move outside to where saftey help can cover their mistake. Every team has depth, however, if you think there isn't a drop off of talent from a teams 1st string to their 2nd you're kidding yourself. 2nd Stingers typically fill a need. Think Lance Johnstone for us a few years back. Great at what they do but typically don't/can't excel at all aspects of the game. We played their 2nd string Oline and couldn't dominante. Hell, could you imagine playing our 2nd string oline. Do we ahve a 2nd string Oline? We dissagree on a few things. You think that Mario Manningham is a starter worth, I beleive our first string CBs should dominante him.
Their 2nd string should not extending leads on us. We were losing by 2 scores and they took their foot of the gass and subbed even more people. Hell, some of them were third stringers. Embarrassed?

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....Honestly, give Tice this offense and defense and I know we wouldn't be beating the Lions by two points. We are under performing.

LMAO!
Yeah, the same guy that when his contract wasn't renewed he didn't get a sniff for the six open HC positions.
The same guy that went to the Jaguars as the assistant head coach/offense in 2005 and then primarily focuses on the offensive line?
The same guy that got demoted in that gig to work on coaching the TEs?
I find that extremely laughable.


He does have a lot more years under his belt in the coaching realm though.
He still has no coordinator experience, oh wait, he was a mediocre HC (that's giving him the benefit of the doubt).
People like to chime in now and say that it was because Redneck was tight with the money.
That was the case, but, he went backward in his career since that time.
I honestly believe he will never ever get a chance to be an HC again and I even believe he will never even make it to a coordinator positions.

What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah, Matt Birk.
Carry on.

I never said Tice was a great coach but he is better than Chilly. If Childress got fired today, where would he go?
Qb coach for Eagles. I don't think any of the teams looking for a HC would call him up. Also, to correct your statment. Tice was interviewed and almost got the Jets job a few years back.

He didn't almost get anything.
He almost got an inteview for the Dolphons HC gig too.

There is no way that Tice is a better HC than Childress.
Their preparations to coach aren't even in the same ballpark.
Tice got an HC job as an interim with no coordinator experience.
The future will answer the question though.
If Childress were fired today we don't know what would happen.
We also don't know how his career will pan out.
He could become one of the greats or he could be on a task force looking for Hoffa's body in the future.
We will find out.
We know Tice went backwards in his career so far, Childress has been climbing the ranks throughout his career.

Tice's team had a 2 min offense that could beat a HS team. The other one doesn't.
Actually, Tice an interium coach has reached as far as childress has in his career. Won a wildcard game and lost to the Eagles in the next round.

Really?
Tice had a good 2 minute offense?
How many games did they under his regime come back and win it in the last 2 minutes of a game?
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A few at home 0 on the road.
Now I ask you about Chilly?
Also th e2 min offense isn't all about winning at the end of the game. You forget the end of the half when the score can swing 14 points.
[/quote]

I am not forgetting that but you are correct it wasn't mentioned in my post.
As far as Chilly is concerned this is the first year in a few where we have come back in the final minutes of the game or last drive.
It was nice to see for a change.

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Is that is what we accept as a good job now? Coming back from being down? Is that our mesuring stick against history?Who the hell are we the Lions? We are the Vikings!!
[/quote]

good coaches will need to do taht, Tice never could.
No team ever in the history of the game will be ahead in all of their games.
You need a coach that can rally the team and lead a comeback at the end of a game.
If you don' tthink thats important, then I truly don't know what to think about you.
[/quote]

We didnt't do that cosnistantly with Tice and we still don't do it consistantly with Chilly. I don't think you have legs to stand on here. It's not like we have had some amazing comebacks under Chilly. So we came back to win against David Carr and the G-Men send string and it took a 50 yarder to do it. This makes Chilly some kind of Saint?
[/quote]

What about the other games they came back in this year?
It was just the Giants.
Regardless of who it is it is a meansurement of heart and reiliancy.
I am pretty tired of people using the Giants 2nd stringers to try and downgrade what the VIkings did.
It makes no sense.
Remember, the VIkings led when the starters were in.
The Giants 2nd stringers talent is not much different than the 1st string.
Out of the 3 offensive possessions the Vikings had against their "second stringers" (which by the way all get playing time in rotations for every other game) they scored on 2 of them.
The only one they didn't was due to a INT in the endzone.

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Congrats we ahve proven we can come back against a teams 2nd stringers. Congrats. Yes we had a 1 pt lead over the Gmen starters. Surely that was goign to continue because their starters are of lesser talent than their 2nd stringers...Oh wait..they arent!!!
[/quote]

You can continue to use that argument and I will continue to tell you 2nd stringers in the NFL does not mean they are bad players.
They are the same people that substitute in and out of games with the starters.
Just as Robison does for Edwards.
Just as Gordon Sapp does in the nickle defense.
It is one thing to try to make a point but at least know a little something about it when you do.
Your comments that state "they only beat a 2nd string team" is a load of crap.
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No if they were better they would be starting. A nickle corner typically covers the teams 3rd best WR or in the case of the primary WR being placed in the slot, will move outside to where saftey help can cover their mistake. Every team has depth, however, if you think there isn't a drop off of talent from a teams 1st string to their 2nd you're kidding yourself. 2nd Stingers typically fill a need. Think Lance Johnstone for us a few years back. Great at what they do but typically don't/can't excel at all aspects of the game. We played their 2nd string Oline and couldn't dominante. Hell, could you imagine playing our 2nd string oline. Do we ahve a 2nd string Oline? We dissagree on a few things. You think that Mario Manningham is a starter worth, I beleive our first string CBs should dominante him.
Their 2nd string should not extending leads on us. We were losing by 2 scores and they took their foot of the gass and subbed even more people. Hell, some of them were third stringers. Embarrassed?
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Not necessarily.
Ward doesn't start and he had better numbers than Jacobs in the Giants backfield.
Chester is a better all around back then AP but AP starts.
You are right their 2nd string OL beat our 1st string DL.
I'm glad you use that as an example.
There is such a thing as a bad game and just because that happened doesn't mean our DL sucks.
Hell we had our best run stopper out of the game.
That helped open up the passing game.
By the way, Allen was doing a little more covering that game as well.

Please ell me what 3rd stringers were in.
Becasue if you are going to say players at skilled positions I will tell you there is not much difference in talent between David Hixon and Sinorece Moss or Manningham.

I could be mistaken, but I thought the giants played their starting O-line all game...