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    Quote Originally Posted by Rage4Order View Post
    So he had a great pro day.. Wow I remember someone not too long ago, who just wowed people at his pro day. Still considered one of the best pro days. Does the name Jamarcus Russell ring a bell. Don't really understand all the emphasis put on a guy throwing a scripted practice in his shorts and no defense trying to stop you or rip your head off. His pro day means nothing at all, NADA. Hell Derek Carrs pro day was just as good, but he is just not getting all the hype. Pointless. The most important things to look at are his game tapes, off field issues. Not throwing a football in your shorts, with no defense to contest.
    Agreed…R4O. But wait, Christian Ponder Sport Science proved out Sport Science: Christian Ponder - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rage4Order View Post
    So he had a great pro day.. Wow I remember someone not too long ago, who just wowed people at his pro day. Still considered one of the best pro days. Does the name Jamarcus Russell ring a bell. Don't really understand all the emphasis put on a guy throwing a scripted practice in his shorts and no defense trying to stop you or rip your head off. His pro day means nothing at all, NADA. Hell Derek Carrs pro day was just as good, but he is just not getting all the hype. Pointless. The most important things to look at are his game tapes, off field issues. Not throwing a football in your shorts, with no defense to contest.

    Pro Days OBVIOUSLY matter. They are not the end all ... but they OBVIOUSLY MATTER or no coaches, scouts, GMs, owners, players, etc. would ever give a fuck about them.

    Saying that the Pro Day does not matter because there are a few great examples of good Pro Days/Bad Players does not discount all Pro Days.

    So ... I guess if you have it all figured out ... then you should jump on into the GM seat and ignore the Pro Days all the other professionals are clearly wasting their time on.

    There is a reason there is a combine. There is a reason there is a Senior Bowl. There is a reason scouts watch hours upon hours of tape. There is a reason they do a ton of background checks and talk to hundreds of people about one prospect. And there is a REASON FOR THE PRO DAY. Doesn't mean that some don't "beat the system" and bust. But to say it "means nothing at all, NADA" is flat out wrong ... or they wouldn't do them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVike View Post
    Agreed…R4O. But wait, Christian Ponder Sport Science proved out Sport Science: Christian Ponder - YouTube
    Hay this guy has all the intangibles and and we can pick him up at #8 this time!!
    Go ahead back up your to close away.

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    A pro day is a confirmation of physical ability primarily. It's just a baseline of physical throwing ability. A successful pro day says 'this guy has the NFL quality arm that fits our system, or doesn't.'
    Russell had a great pro day, but was missing the multitude of other characteristics that lead to NFL success, primarily desire.
    Carr had a great pro day, but I've read that he isn't poised when pressured, and a pro day won't show that.
    Manziel, Carr, and Bortles all had successful pro days. But that's just the tip of the iceberg in QB evaluation.
    The pro day isn't meaningless, but is a very small piece of the puzzle.

    It seemed like Norv wasn't even watching Johnny that much while he was throwing.

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    Manziel's Pro Day

    Pro days are a "what does this player look like under PERFECT conditions?" test for prospects. You can't really help your stock significantly, but you CAN screw it up pretty badly if you can't make a high percentage pass against air.

    As such, JFM just showed us under perfect conditions, he is pretty awesome. What I personally like about him is at game time, he is a frikkin psycho when it comes to winning. He NEVER QUITS. Even when a play completely breaks down and the defense has screwed the offense up completely, you might STILL watch JFM throw a TD pass. Everything I've read about him says he is a film junkie.

    I watched Joe Montana's "I'm the greatest" NFL Network show, and he and Manziel have something in common: teams playing them, no matter how big a lead they have, fear either one might lead a comeback and embarrass the shit out of them.

    THAT, my friends, is the one attribute that excites the hell out of me. OK, it might not translate to the NFL; God knows we've seen enough QBs where it hasn't.

    But if it DOES... And he is ours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    Bridgewater is the most "NFL ready", and his pro day kinda put that into doubt, so my guess is the teams who are QB needy will have to get a Cassel-type QB for next year regardless of who draft Manziel and the rest.
    That whole "Most NFL ready QB" comment is way over used & is usually more wrong, than more right.

    "Ponder showed up to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., in the shadows of Jake Locker and Colin Kaepernick as they seemed to be garnering the most attention. By the end of the week, Ponder had proved during each practice that he was the most NFL ready quarterback and backed it up by being named the game's MVP.
    Brian Billick evaluates Christian Ponder, NFL draft prospects 11-20 - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

    If memory serves correctly, Ponder had an impressive Pro Day also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad7 View Post
    Eh hopefully the Vikings pass on Manziel. I didn't like his style before the pro day and there's no brooms chasing him in the NFL.
    So there were players chasing Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr & all the other QB prospects on their Pro Day?

    A lot of the comments I've read in the past few days seem to act as if Manziel had the only workout that was scripted, didn't have DL men chasing him or had receivers that weren't covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplehelmut View Post
    I don't agree that this is a league that rewards a qb like Manziel. This read-option will be gone after a couple more qbs end up on the PAP list. RG3 had one good year and now has a bad knee. Vick never did reach his potential because of injury. Newton is learning to be a pocket passer because he and his coaches recognize the need for it. Wilson knows how to read a defense and utilize his mobility to extend plays. Roethlisberger uses his mobility in the pocket, not running ability, to extend plays. I don't agree you need a franchise qb to win, although it certainly doesn't hurt. You need one that moves the chains on third down and doesn't throw it to the other team. Flacco damn sure isn't a franchise qb and he's got a ring. You may need one if you have a weak defense and no running game- see Green Bay and Denver and New England. In my opinion there are only a handful franchise qbs in the league anyway- Rogers, Manning, Brady, and Brees- possibly Luck. And two of those are without a ring and Manning will probably never get one, like Marino, who was arguably the best passer in history. There is just way to much risk with Manziel to take him that early- especially if that mistake sets us back like the Ponder one did, or worse. We simply can't afford it. Another interesting question- would Tark succeed in today's NFL? The guys he'd be running from are a whole lot bigger and faster than back in the day and his arm wasn't the biggest either.
    He already has one!! Indy beat Da Bores in a super bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    He already has one!! Indy beat Da Bores in a super bowl.
    I already said "My bad" a bunch of posts ago. That SB win was so long ago my addled brain simply misplaced that info. But Marino never got one, I remember that.

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    If our coaches decide JFM is the guy, they will do what it takes to get him. Guys like him are a all or nothing sort of players, and teams who wanted them but weren't willing to pay the price to get them rue that day.

    If our coaches AREN'T sold on him, they will probably trade back and be done with the whole thing. Either way, I have already committed to not complaining over their choices for the next year. We got the coaches we wanted, now we have to TRUST them!

    Make no mistake, I am fine with either move, though I personally would love to see him drop to #8. That way, its one pick, and not as much of a risk. In the end though, if you are like me, and felt Zimmer and Turner are the guys we needed to get over the hump, let's not hang them for what they do on May 8th. Spielman's life is on the line this year, Zimmer probably has the next 3 years unless the team implodes.

    I would just REALLY like for our QB troubles to be over; whether that means JFM this year, someone else or waiting for next year, I'd really like it resolved.
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