Pro Days OBVIOUSLY matter. They are not the end all ... but they OBVIOUSLY MATTER or no coaches, scouts, GMs, owners, players, etc. would ever give a fuck about them.
Saying that the Pro Day does not matter because there are a few great examples of good Pro Days/Bad Players does not discount all Pro Days.
So ... I guess if you have it all figured out ... then you should jump on into the GM seat and ignore the Pro Days all the other professionals are clearly wasting their time on.
There is a reason there is a combine. There is a reason there is a Senior Bowl. There is a reason scouts watch hours upon hours of tape. There is a reason they do a ton of background checks and talk to hundreds of people about one prospect. And there is a REASON FOR THE PRO DAY. Doesn't mean that some don't "beat the system" and bust. But to say it "means nothing at all, NADA" is flat out wrong ... or they wouldn't do them.
A pro day is a confirmation of physical ability primarily. It's just a baseline of physical throwing ability. A successful pro day says 'this guy has the NFL quality arm that fits our system, or doesn't.'
Russell had a great pro day, but was missing the multitude of other characteristics that lead to NFL success, primarily desire.
Carr had a great pro day, but I've read that he isn't poised when pressured, and a pro day won't show that.
Manziel, Carr, and Bortles all had successful pro days. But that's just the tip of the iceberg in QB evaluation.
The pro day isn't meaningless, but is a very small piece of the puzzle.
It seemed like Norv wasn't even watching Johnny that much while he was throwing.
Pro days are a "what does this player look like under PERFECT conditions?" test for prospects. You can't really help your stock significantly, but you CAN screw it up pretty badly if you can't make a high percentage pass against air.
As such, JFM just showed us under perfect conditions, he is pretty awesome. What I personally like about him is at game time, he is a frikkin psycho when it comes to winning. He NEVER QUITS. Even when a play completely breaks down and the defense has screwed the offense up completely, you might STILL watch JFM throw a TD pass. Everything I've read about him says he is a film junkie.
I watched Joe Montana's "I'm the greatest" NFL Network show, and he and Manziel have something in common: teams playing them, no matter how big a lead they have, fear either one might lead a comeback and embarrass the shit out of them.
THAT, my friends, is the one attribute that excites the hell out of me. OK, it might not translate to the NFL; God knows we've seen enough QBs where it hasn't.
But if it DOES... And he is ours...
Gentlemen, we will not have to worry about THAT position for years to come! I really don't even know what that feels like, but I'm willing to learn...
Brian Billick evaluates Christian Ponder, NFL draft prospects 11-20 - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSNQuote:
"Ponder showed up to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., in the shadows of Jake Locker and Colin Kaepernick as they seemed to be garnering the most attention. By the end of the week, Ponder had proved during each practice that he was the most NFL ready quarterback and backed it up by being named the game's MVP.
If memory serves correctly, Ponder had an impressive Pro Day also.
Mayock on Ponder's pro day - NFL Videos
A lot of the comments I've read in the past few days seem to act as if Manziel had the only workout that was scripted, didn't have DL men chasing him or had receivers that weren't covered.
If our coaches decide JFM is the guy, they will do what it takes to get him. Guys like him are a all or nothing sort of players, and teams who wanted them but weren't willing to pay the price to get them rue that day.
If our coaches AREN'T sold on him, they will probably trade back and be done with the whole thing. Either way, I have already committed to not complaining over their choices for the next year. We got the coaches we wanted, now we have to TRUST them!
Make no mistake, I am fine with either move, though I personally would love to see him drop to #8. That way, its one pick, and not as much of a risk. In the end though, if you are like me, and felt Zimmer and Turner are the guys we needed to get over the hump, let's not hang them for what they do on May 8th. Spielman's life is on the line this year, Zimmer probably has the next 3 years unless the team implodes.
I would just REALLY like for our QB troubles to be over; whether that means JFM this year, someone else or waiting for next year, I'd really like it resolved.