05-07-2013, 11:36 AM #81
When reading up on Musgrave, he seems to favor the short passing style offenses. Ponder and lack of WR talent may be part of the reason as well, but I think Marrdro is right in that the staple of this offense will be predicated on more horizontal vs vertical stretching.
These things have a tendency to change though based on talent.
05-07-2013, 12:27 PM #82Asst. Coach
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The deep threat is suddenly looking more important, but nobody is asking Ponder to be Brady or Rodgers because they don't have the best RB in the NFL to hand the ball to, but it would be nice if he could hit the deep ball when it's there, like when Peterson was streaking down the sideline at Lambeau with a 5 yard cushion on a defender and Ponders floater fell woefully short hitting the defender in the back. A TD there and the Vikings go up 21-20 late in the 3rd. Ponder threw an INT 4 plays later. If we won that game we would have won the division.
05-07-2013, 01:11 PM #83
05-07-2013, 01:18 PM #84
05-07-2013, 09:34 PM #85
This is the NFL, the players should know their routes or sit on the bench. If they have some physical problem, the coach needs to figure out how to use players to the offensive advantage. I am tired of excuses for poor play and poor coaching. I hope the Vikings do better with these players, but they should have done better with the players they had.
I hear what you are saying and agree to an extent but I am not sure at this point if it is Musgrave or if it is a systemic problem rooted in the QB. We saw this type of offense when Childress took over and Johnson was the QB, watched it through TJ,Bollinger,Holcolm,McNabb etc all while Bevell was the coordinator. The only time we saw something different was when Brett was playing and he made things click using the same cast of characters.
Then Bevell leaves and get's TJ for a year and looks like the same old OC while we get McNabb/Ponder and it looks like Childress/Bevell never left. TJ then is replaced by Wilson and their whole team suddenly looks different and now Seattle is looked at as a contender for the SB with the Bevell offense.
It seems like there is a built in mentality to protect these QB's and just try to get them to not make a mistake rather than taking the reigns off and seeing what they can do. This year with Jennings, Patterson, Rudolph etc we are going to have enough weapons for him to put up decent numbers. If we see 3 or so sub 100 yard games from him this year there will be only one person to look at for a change.
05-08-2013, 07:41 AM #87
05-08-2013, 08:35 AM #88
I think another team to look at is the 49rs. With Smith you had your typical Walsh type dink/dunk QB without a cannon for an arm who does good enough to get them almost to the SB running the Walsh variant, but Harbrother really wants to run the Coryell variant. Enter Kaep and his "Percieved" cannon for an arm.
21-30 yds 79%
31-40 yds 25%
41+ yds 0%
Colin Kaepernick Stats, Splits - San Francisco 49ers - ESPN
Not real great if you ask me.
Then you take a look at the other side of that story with the other SB QB.
Flacco, under another Harbrother who wants to run the Coryell variant struggles most of the year and almost misses the playoffs (and SB) until he is convinced to switch O-coords, change the OL and start throwing shorter stuff rather than deeper stuff (enter Anquan).
Two questions come out of that for me........
1. What will 49r Harbrother do this year with Boldan on his team. Is that an indicator he is going to try to stay with the Walsh variant now?
2. What will Raven Harbrother do without the guy that made it all click for them late in the season.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-08-2013, 08:46 AM #89
Winning doesn't fix everything. Look at the 49ers. They were winning with Smith (who I like) but still mad a change at QB. According to some people logic. Winning despite terrible play from your QB is ok. Keep him in there....throwing with the noodle arm.
05-08-2013, 09:53 AM #90
I think the objective of the game is to win, not to put up impressive stats to impress fantasy league players.
If we lose a game because Ponder is unable to do his job, then I have a problem with him. Otherwise I don't care if the defense wins the game, special teams or the running game. Just win baby and take it as a team not an individual.