04-09-2013, 01:58 PM #41
Oh yeah, I wasn't speaking of right away, just when he finally does hit the market.
04-09-2013, 09:20 PM #43
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04-10-2013, 06:27 AM #45
Like I said earlier in the season when people were bagging on Musgrave, He was mostly calling short passes under 10 yards & behind the LOS passes because those were the limits of his accuracy.
But I wasn't referring to OC coaches or head coaches. I was referring primarily to the QB coaches & any of the assistant coaches that work to develop the QB. While you can't teach arm strength, you can certainly teach mechanics & other things that our QB's struggled with in their development. Late in Ponder's 2nd year, he still has had poor mechanics at times.
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Arm strength isn't what you look at but leadership, accuracy and poise under pressure.
Jackson had a hell of an arm but what the hell good is that if you can't read a defense or throw it accurately? Ponder can throw the ball far enough to do the job if he can throw it accurately and do it under pressure. That is where he will succeed or fail. He is better under pressure than Jackson was and he is more accurate but maybe not enough of either.
04-10-2013, 08:38 AM #47
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Now I am not saying he cannot succeed. Again, I will use Alex Smith as an example. But I wouldn't bet the farm on it...Zeus wrote:
When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?
04-10-2013, 10:37 AM #48
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One could argue that the short, possession-style receiving game is a product of Ponder's arm strength or simply not having receiver talent, but Musgrave used similar playbooks with the Jaguars and Panthers in his tenures with both of those franchises. Those teams had Muhsin Muhammad, Jimmy Smith (perhaps the most underrated receiver in history) and Donald Hayes. It's wasn't just a question of receiver or quarterback (he had Byron Leftwich, Steve Beuerlein and David Garrard) ability—Musgrave simply likes to run shorter routes. If you don't believe that, Wobschall says the same.
We have seen him get the ball down the field so I don't have that many concerns that the offense can't be made to work with a QB with his arm strength IF he has the accuracy, the timing and a cool enough head under pressure to make the throws. He is an intelligent guy but whether he is instinctual and whether he can analyze and execute under duress is the million dollar question. His arm is as strong as Montana's arm was and is as good as brad johnson and gannon, who won and went to a SB respectively.
04-10-2013, 12:41 PM #50
Ponder has thrown the ball 40-50 yards down field with no trouble, his accuracy is what sucks. One out of 10 passes will be on the money, that is why for me he is the prototypical WCO type of QB, which is why I am saying he is on a short leash. If he can't make the screen pass, or 5-10 yard passes with accuracy, then he shouldn't be a starter in the league.