05-09-2013, 08:06 AM #102
05-09-2013, 09:10 AM #103
As I said earlier. I wonder if the move from one Harbrother to the other of Boldin is a sign the other will go back to the Dink Dunk approach.
Sure have been a lot of SB's won running that variant.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-09-2013, 09:40 AM #104
Christian Ponder at Florida State, have you gotten to spend much time with him? Have you broken down his film? What do you think of him as a quarterback and as a person?
GRUDEN: I have not had a chance to individually work Christian Ponder out. I have had a chance to study his tape. Here's a guy that is a three-year starter. He's won 22 games at Florida State, Senior Bowl MVP. He's already graduated. There are a lot of upsides here. He's had some injuries, which are the big concern. He's a great leader. Two-time team captain of the Seminoles. Two years ago he threw for almost 70 percent. I think the injuries got to him a little bit this year. But you see a couple tremendous throws in the Florida game. One, a red zone post where you see the anticipation, the accuracy, the toughness in the pocket. There are a lot of guys I know that that like this guy because he's got the aptitude to learn. He's got the leadership traits that you want, and he's got a lot of playing experience. And Jimbo Fisher does some good things on offense. But I think he's an accurate, intermediate passer. People want to see him push the ball maybe a little more down the field. Like to see a little more arm strength. But I think those things will develop and come to Ponder when he gets healthy and continues to physically get stronger. He's a very good collegian. He's got good enough size, good enough mobility, and he's won a lot of games and shown tremendous toughness for the Seminoles.
Billick, the former Vikings' offensive coordinator, offered this take on where the offense stands:
"I think it's time to start holding Christian Ponder accountable. But only if they give him the proper weapons. Percy Harvin is a heck of a weapon. And when he was healthy, he was a great way to go. They don't have that big shot down the field. They were hoping Jerome Simpson could be that. They don't have that. That's got to be a top priority. For me, I've got to come out with a big play weapon down the field."
I really liked this one, ........Multiple analysts....All saying the same thing.
"Let me put it in context: Christian has done a nice job overall. He is very much what I thought he would be. He's a talented kid, a smart kid, who was trained a certain way in college. His quarterback DNA told me he was very good at the easy stuff. He's very good with space to work in the pocket. He's very good within the system. And that's not a knock. That is what most guys are. He handles the easy stuff, the clean stuff, very, very, very well.
"His mistakes come when they take things away from the system, when they force him to make a play. Blitzing, cluttered pockets, tight coverage throws, those are kind of the graduate-level things he has not done very well to this point.
"You can evolve if you're given the freedom to evolve and if you can change your mind-set. And Christian always has been a rather safe player. He's a very smart kid -- very, very smart. He sees the picture unfolding in front of him and he typically chooses the safe route because he's smart enough to get to the safe route. And I don't mean the passing route. It's the route to success.
"It always goes back to this, and it blows my mind people won't talk about it more: When you are tailback-driven, you practice more run plays and more run-oriented schemes. When you are quarterback-driven, you practice more nuances of the passing game. You only get so many practice reps. As long as Adrian Peterson is the bell cow back and they are tailback-driven, the passing game will never have the nuance that the great passing games have. Now that's not a bad thing, but the expectations need to be shaped that way. You can't have both in today's football. There's not enough practice time.
"You don't pick a guy 12th in (the) draft and think the guy is just going to be OK. Do I think he's a franchise QB? Not yet.
"You've got to manage the game, play defense and run the ball. When you need more than that, you have to take off the governor. As long as Minnesota is a winning team, you can't work on developing Christian Ponder. It will come when he will eventually get enough snaps.
"I don't think you can look at Christian Ponder from play to play and say it's a flub when you're winning the way they've won. They won in overtime against Jacksonville and had a great win over San Francisco.
"The second half of the season is important for him. I think he's trending in the right direction. You've seen him cut down on poor decisions. I think he's got better footwork. Nobody questions his toughness, his arm strength.
Ponder has got to handle blitzes better. The coordinator can help him with play calls. The group around him can do a better job. I'm talking about everybody.
"I think sometimes we make assumptions before we have all the information in front of us. Because he played so well in the first five games of the season, you think, 'This is a guy who's figured it out.' I've seen steady improvement in a number of areas. Look at his completion percentage. You look at the command. He's playing faster.
"They've got to get better as a team around him. Another thing, so many of the throws have been to Percy Harvin or the tight end or the back. They need another receiver to step up. I think they have a little bit of an imbalance now.
"It's not just Ponder. It's the offensive line. It's the receivers.
"Understanding situational football -- that's an area I think he can be better. That takes a while to really be good.
"I've studied him. I just think everything is rushed. Everything is in a hurry. When you see pressure, that's when your feet need to be more calm. You don't want to be busy. His feet are real busy vs. pressure.
"When I've watched him, I thought the Vikings were doing him a little bit of a disservice not letting him stretch the field out. If they took some more shots deep down the field, I think that would ease some of the pressure. I think the field has really shrunk. They're throwing so much stuff underneath. Percy Harvin is a stud. When he gets the ball underneath, he's really good. I'd like to see them be able to get something over the top outside. That will eliminate all these bodies and all this clutter he has to deal with underneath. "When you have a running back going as good as Peterson is going right now, that's a perfect combination. You want to be able to run the ball, (use) play action and go over the top. There should be a payoff for having that running game. Right now, there has been no payoff for as well as they're running it.
"The reins are going to be handed to Ponder. At some point, that is going to take place. It's going to be his team, and they'll allow him to do more. As young as he is and as well as Peterson is playing, I just think that's the formula that works right now. I don't think I'd do it any differently than they're doing it.
"Ponder is probably right about where I thought he'd be. Maybe even a little bit exceeding where I thought he'd be. He's always been very, very talented. He has all the tools you'd want. I think it's a matter of him putting it all together ... it's a matter of time. He's got all the ingredients. I do think he can be a franchise quarterback. He's not there right now, though.
"The biggest thing is, just slow him down. Sometimes, with young quarterbacks, you're going to have fast feet and a fast mind. Once both those slow down, then you're going to have a really good player. I think right now he's thinking a little bit too much. His mind is racing, and his feet are flowing, too. Once that comes together, I think, he'll be fine.
"I would just say to him, 'Don't be in such a hurry. At the end of the day, you're going to have a check down available to you. You don't need to be in a rush to get to it. Give the rest of your play a chance to develop.' Another thing I'd tell him is, 'You've got all this energy. If you want to use that energy and take off and run with the football, that's not a bad thing, either.' He can help with his legs, as well.
"I think you're going to see progress as the season rolls along. It's not going to be dramatic. I think the most important thing is him getting back to what he was doing at the beginning of the year in terms of protecting the football. If he just protects the football, they're going to win a lot of games and have a chance to be a playoff team."
Vikings' Christian Ponder can be fixed: The 70% Solution - TwinCities.com
Not sure about you but thats alot more credible than the guy you stuckup there.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-09-2013, 09:47 AM #105
Look, the Vikings new they were going to take a QB high. My guess is they really wanted Locker (glad that didn't work out) and when he went higher than anticipated, and the Deadskins moving down just a bit to take Ponder, they had to take one there (even though they tried to move down just ahead of the deadskins).
That doesn't mean they thought they would have to play him. They just knew that all of these kids were going to go high.
They had every intent on letting Dnabb run this team for at least one year, possibly two, regardless of who they got and were they got him.
Problem for all of us, including young Ponder is that Dnabb really did stink. It wasn't just a fluke.
No team has to run a QB out there if they take one high anymore. The only people who think that way are the fans who haven't kept up with the change in "How much they cost".Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-09-2013, 09:50 AM #106Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-09-2013, 10:13 AM #107
[QUOTE=Reignman;1141261]What if we lost AD for the season? /QUOTE]
The offensive focus would shift back to what it was the first 8 weeks of last season. Lets not forget that Ponder had 6 games with over 200+ passing and one that was 2 yards shy during that timeframe and almost everyone was getting on the Ponder bandwagon.
Or did you forget about that?Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-09-2013, 10:22 AM #108
If ya'all care to remember ye ole Duh'knee Green offense, yeah sure, we put up tons of points, set the record even. But did we win a championship!? No. We couldn't stop anybody ever because whether that deep ball was caught for a 70 yard TD or dropped incomplete, either way it was only about 10 seconds off of the clock, and our defense was back out there, playing the whole freaking game, and tho they would start well, they would always let up some chunks of scoring late in the half and late in the game when they'd used up all the gas they could muster.
That is where the dinky-dunky is better. It is an extension of the running game in many ways, because of the time that runs off the clock while the defense swarms to the receiver and that WR churns out some YAC. But, it can not be the only thing, or we get what Daniel Jeremiah talks about, the "shrinking of the field," and the loss of our "payoff for having a great RB who commands so much attention at the LOS."
"When I've watched him, I thought the Vikings were doing him a little bit of a disservice not letting him stretch the field out. If they took some more shots deep down the field, I think that would ease some of the pressure. I think the field has really shrunk. They're throwing so much stuff underneath. Percy Harvin is a stud. When he gets the ball underneath, he's really good. I'd like to see them be able to get something over the top outside. That will eliminate all these bodies and all this clutter he has to deal with underneath.
"When you have a running back going as good as Peterson is going right now, that's a perfect combination. You want to be able to run the ball, (use) play action and go over the top. There should be a payoff for having that running game. Right now, there has been no payoff for as well as they're running it.
This may be more of a concern:
Dilfer also suggested that Ponder will continue to have a high injury rate because of the way his shoulders are built and because his arm action puts pressure on his elbow.Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!
"Balance it on end and thats the third side of the coin!!" -wookiefoot
05-09-2013, 10:30 AM #109
Enter the offensive scheme that has won a hell of alot more SB's that the Coryell variant.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-09-2013, 10:39 AM #110Dilfer also suggested that Ponder will continue to have a high injury rate because of the way his shoulders are built and because his arm action puts pressure on his elbow.
The only Super Bowl winning QB to EVER start as a backup for a different team the following year.Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.