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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Marrdro wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
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    Don't typically watch any of the "Fox" or "ESPN" pregame stuff, mostly cause the NFLN stuff is better, however, this weekend I turned over to "Fox" and heard Terry Bradshaw talk about the "Way Ahead" for the Cowboys.

    Basically he said that they could trace all thier woes back to the owner acting like the GM.

    I think, logically you can look at the current regime and say the same thing, in some sort of fashion. Not that the owner is acting like Jerry, but rather, we don't have a typical GM/HC structure.

    Said it before and I'll say it again. Until this staff is organized under a "True" GM, it will never get any better.

    Again, I like the Chiller. I think he is a pretty damn good X and O's kindof coach, but I don't think, like most HC's, he has the makeup to try to coach as well as do some of the front office crap he is doing.

    They (the Wilf Ownership group) need to either make Spielman the GM or hire one to oversee the Triangle of Authority that currently resides with this organization.

    This would alleviate some issues especially related to HC and if he has permissions to outright release a players. A HC should never have the authority to release a player regardless of how big an Ass he is acting like. That should fall to the GM.

    Long story short, until this staff is structured like a real NFL staff, it will never get over the hump.
    What he said. Guess I didn't need to rant about it in the other threads.

    This is not a new concept that many of us have been saying since Childress was brought on board. I think Marrdro even started a thread on it a few years back.
    LOL. I try to start all kinds of threads....Anything to talk football.

    By the way, I think that the only one to agree with me was Caine when it comes to a true GM/HC relationship.

    Go figure huh. :laugh:
    I think there were a few more. You're not always off in the weeds on your ideas
    LOL, you have no idea.

    Wanna see something funny, do a great thread on the DL or OL and our blockign schemes, no one comments (atleast very few).

    Do one on something crazy and everyone jumps all over it.

    Sometimes its fun to do the crazy ones just cause you get a discussion going.
    I must admit, it tends to get a little boring on here without Marrdro stirring things up.

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Don't typically watch any of the "Fox" or "ESPN" pregame stuff, mostly cause the NFLN stuff is better, however, this weekend I turned over to "Fox" and heard Terry Bradshaw talk about the "Way Ahead" for the Cowboys.

    Basically he said that they could trace all thier woes back to the owner acting like the GM.

    I think, logically you can look at the current regime and say the same thing, in some sort of fashion. Not that the owner is acting like Jerry, but rather, we don't have a typical GM/HC structure.

    Said it before and I'll say it again. Until this staff is organized under a "True" GM, it will never get any better.

    Again, I like the Chiller. I think he is a pretty damn good X and O's kindof coach, but I don't think, like most HC's, he has the makeup to try to coach as well as do some of the front office crap he is doing.

    They (the Wilf Ownership group) need to either make Spielman the GM or hire one to oversee the Triangle of Authority that currently resides with this organization.

    This would alleviate some issues especially related to HC and if he has permissions to outright release a players. A HC should never have the authority to release a player regardless of how big an Ass he is acting like. That should fall to the GM.

    Long story short, until this staff is structured like a real NFL staff, it will never get over the hump.
    What he said. Guess I didn't need to rant about it in the other threads.

    This is not a new concept that many of us have been saying since Childress was brought on board. I think Marrdro even started a thread on it a few years back.
    LOL. I try to start all kinds of threads....Anything to talk football.

    By the way, I think that the only one to agree with me was Caine when it comes to a true GM/HC relationship.

    Go figure huh. :laugh:
    I think there were a few more. You're not always off in the weeds on your ideas
    LOL, you have no idea.

    Wanna see something funny, do a great thread on the DL or OL and our blockign schemes, no one comments (atleast very few).

    Do one on something crazy and everyone jumps all over it.

    Sometimes its fun to do the crazy ones just cause you get a discussion going.
    I must admit, it tends to get a little boring on here without Marrdro stirring things up.
    .....snicker.......

    You cut me to the quick. I don't stir, I just promote discussions.

    You bring up good discussion points, its all good. You bring up stuff along the lines of hate/discontent, I usually don't do well with that input.
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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Marrdro wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    Don't typically watch any of the "Fox" or "ESPN" pregame stuff, mostly cause the NFLN stuff is better, however, this weekend I turned over to "Fox" and heard Terry Bradshaw talk about the "Way Ahead" for the Cowboys.

    Basically he said that they could trace all thier woes back to the owner acting like the GM.

    I think, logically you can look at the current regime and say the same thing, in some sort of fashion. Not that the owner is acting like Jerry, but rather, we don't have a typical GM/HC structure.

    Said it before and I'll say it again. Until this staff is organized under a "True" GM, it will never get any better.

    Again, I like the Chiller. I think he is a pretty damn good X and O's kindof coach, but I don't think, like most HC's, he has the makeup to try to coach as well as do some of the front office crap he is doing.

    They (the Wilf Ownership group) need to either make Spielman the GM or hire one to oversee the Triangle of Authority that currently resides with this organization.

    This would alleviate some issues especially related to HC and if he has permissions to outright release a players. A HC should never have the authority to release a player regardless of how big an Ass he is acting like. That should fall to the GM.

    Long story short, until this staff is structured like a real NFL staff, it will never get over the hump.
    What he said. Guess I didn't need to rant about it in the other threads.

    This is not a new concept that many of us have been saying since Childress was brought on board. I think Marrdro even started a thread on it a few years back.
    LOL. I try to start all kinds of threads....Anything to talk football.

    By the way, I think that the only one to agree with me was Caine when it comes to a true GM/HC relationship.

    Go figure huh. :laugh:
    I think there were a few more. You're not always off in the weeds on your ideas
    LOL, you have no idea.

    Wanna see something funny, do a great thread on the DL or OL and our blockign schemes, no one comments (atleast very few).

    Do one on something crazy and everyone jumps all over it.

    Sometimes its fun to do the crazy ones just cause you get a discussion going.
    I must admit, it tends to get a little boring on here without Marrdro stirring things up.
    .....snicker.......

    You cut me to the quick. I don't stir, I just promote discussions.

    You bring up good discussion points, its all good. You bring up stuff along the lines of hate/discontent, I usually don't do well with that input.
    Oh stop...you do quite well with Hate/Discontenting on Favre....

    But, to the topic at hand, Zygi and the familial parasites (Lead by Mark Wilf) are a big reason for the problem. So long as they are allowed to continue to marginalize our Franchise, we will be forced to endure a never ending succession of Coaches who are willing to compromise to save their jobs, and who will not have the credibility to stand up to the Owner (Zygi) and say, "Stay out of Football operations and stick to real estate...and take your adopted Brother with you."

    Caine

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Very simple. My Vikes don't have a verticle threat until Sydney comes back. Therefore teams are able to load up on our O-line. Your defense is forced to be on the field for pretty much the entire game because the offense goes 3 and out on most or all of it's possessions. A lack of effort or support for Brad is evident too. It's just a bad situation all the way around and this year feels just like 06'. Childress will be gone once it is mathematically impossible for us to make the playoffs. Consider it done.

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Marrdro wrote:
    Don't typically watch any of the "Fox" or "ESPN" pregame stuff, mostly cause the NFLN stuff is better, however, this weekend I turned over to "Fox" and heard Terry Bradshaw talk about the "Way Ahead" for the Cowboys.

    Basically he said that they could trace all thier woes back to the owner acting like the GM.

    I think, logically you can look at the current regime and say the same thing, in some sort of fashion. Not that the owner is acting like Jerry, but rather, we don't have a typical GM/HC structure.

    Said it before and I'll say it again. Until this staff is organized under a "True" GM, it will never get any better.

    Again, I like the Chiller. I think he is a pretty damn good X and O's kindof coach, but I don't think, like most HC's, he has the makeup to try to coach as well as do some of the front office crap he is doing.

    They (the Wilf Ownership group) need to either make Spielman the GM or hire one to oversee the Triangle of Authority that currently resides with this organization.

    This would alleviate some issues especially related to HC and if he has permissions to outright release a players. A HC should never have the authority to release a player regardless of how big an Ass he is acting like. That should fall to the GM.

    Long story short, until this staff is structured like a real NFL staff, it will never get over the hump.
    For the last several years you have told us Childress doesn't make personel decisions.

    I guess another Marrdroism bites the dust.

    Wilf tried hard but made a mistake with Childress.
    Let's hope he learned a lesson and hangs tough with the Vikings.
    I have a lot of hope for the future if Wilf decides to work through this mess.
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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Mr Anderson wrote:
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    If we're speaking about this year perhaps it's that Favre is really done and by relying on him so much we are utilizing our best weapon AD not often enough. Perhaps if we went with TJ and kept the rock in AD's hands like his first yr. we would have better results. Run first pass off the run. Control the clock keep the other teams offense off the field. Maybe TJ could manage to make a couple of the throws he couldn't a couple of years ago. I must be drunk to come up with this theory. I give up for tonight..................
    huh? Peterson is on pace for 350 carries, thats not exactly going away from the run game. On his 1700 yard season, he had 363, last season he had 314
    As far as today goes: If Rice, Harvin, and Berrian are out, Peterson has to have more than 17 carries. I don't think that's debatable.
    I think you summed it up without stating why this year has been messed up.

    Consistency!

    Our starting center was injured to start the season, shuffled guys in and out, starter came back for some games and got hurt in this last game again.

    Our WRs, suppose to start the season with Rice and Harvin, Harvin missed pretty much all of TC. Rice comes up lame and gets surgery. Berrian has been healthy, for what it is worth up until this game, but he couldn't catch until 2 games ago against AZ. Harvin comes back, at the end of preseason, practices, gets migraines and then is rushed to the hospital because his heart stop while he was watching practice or something crazy like that. Oh, we get Moss to come in and kick ass as he tells us to get our 84 jerseys ready. He comes in and can't get along with the coach and gets himself booted from MN. OK so we are back to Berrian and Harvin with the hope that Sid the Kid can get back soon. Harvin has been battling injuries all season. Berrian gets injured this game and sits on the bench for most of the game. Harvin gets injured this game and finally hurt enough to sit out the rest of the game instead of being the warrior that we saw up until yesterday. WTF. The WRs are directly responsible for at least 6 of BF's INTs, 2 of them would have been TDs at the very least it would have been 3 points. WTF.

    Defensive backs, have been a mismatch/hodgepodge bunch, Griff was a huge loss. Missed him on the way in to the season, got him back, and then lost him to another season ending IR injury.

    RB, LB, QB and D line have been consistent in personnel. The RB and LBs have been solid. The QB has had too many turn overs but has played well otherwise, oh he has been a warrior playing behind the line and RB that have relinquished too many hits and sacks on the QB. The D line, no pressure to not enough pressure all season, WTF.

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Chilly Sucks!

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    thorshammer wrote:
    If we're speaking about this year perhaps it's that Favre is really done and by relying on him so much we are utilizing our best weapon AD not often enough. Perhaps if we went with TJ and kept the rock in AD's hands like his first yr. we would have better results. Run first pass off the run. Control the clock keep the other teams offense off the field. Maybe TJ could manage to make a couple of the throws he couldn't a couple of years ago. I must be drunk to come up with this theory. I give up for tonight..................
    HUH?! It is almost all Peterson. Does run on 3rd and 7 ring a bell? It is this fucking coaching staff.

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

    Holzberg wrote:
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    thorshammer wrote:
    If we're speaking about this year perhaps it's that Favre is really done and by relying on him so much we are utilizing our best weapon AD not often enough. Perhaps if we went with TJ and kept the rock in AD's hands like his first yr. we would have better results. Run first pass off the run. Control the clock keep the other teams offense off the field. Maybe TJ could manage to make a couple of the throws he couldn't a couple of years ago. I must be drunk to come up with this theory. I give up for tonight..................
    Drunk or not, I agree totally
    Yeah, it's always Brett's fault. Wait, what did Brett do last season. How great was all 3 phases last year.

    HOW GREAT ARE ALL 3 PHASES THIS YEAR?

    If Brett played Offense, Defense and ST, then you could blame him.

    The fact that WR have been injured and not playing as well this year is a huge factor. Brett plays with his heart and he plays to win game in and game out. His competitiveness has been his downfall as well because he always tries to get those first downs. But, this is what also has made him so great.

    Do you really think TJ would be able to withstand all the hits Brett took this year? If you do, you are fricken insane.

    The Vikes can't get over the hump because of constant injuries as well as it just doesn't seem the team wants to win. The defense and special teams have been horrible.

    They showed last week that they can be a great team, but for whatever reason this week it didn't seem like they had the fire they had in the last 4 minutes of the game last week. I put this on the coach, not just the head coach, but all coaches. They need to have their players confident and fired up BEFORE AND DURING the game.

    Blaming one person on the team at this point isn't going to make a difference unless that one person has an affect on all 3 phases. Those people that understand know that it is Childress.
    Lock the thread. This post is all you need to read.

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    Re: Main Reason Vikings can't get over the hump?

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    Lock the thread. This post is all you need to read.
    It was a good post except........

    Blaming one person on the team at this point isn't going to make a difference unless that one person has an affect on all 3 phases. Those people that understand know that it is Childress.
    Problem is it isn't only the head coach that can affect all 3 phases of the game. Let the QB throw an INT or two, after the offense has moved the ball down the field and is getting ready to score and you have now......

    1. Affected the Offense. They are gonna loose confidence in the guy under center making those bonehead decisions.

    2. Affected the Defense. They are gonna loose confidence in the offense, especially the guy under center making those bonehead decisions as they are continually backed up defending a short field, which by the way, also equates to playing from behind.

    When they are forced to do that, they then have to worry about all aspects of the offense they are trying to stop instead of just the passing attack that you usually get when a team is trying to catch up.

    3. ST's. They are gonna have to play almost perfect so as to win the field position battle, that the bonehead under center keeps giving up as he makes those bonehead decisions.
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