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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    I have actually heard it said about NFL linemen in general, that they are so huge nowadays that there is little lane to run through anymore. In the old days (1970s, etc.), they were just smaller, and you didn't run into your own guy as much.

    I don't know. It seems like teams like the Chargers and Seattle obviously don't have a problem rushing the ball...

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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

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    I've been watching the Gophers this year because almost all of their games have been on national TV. Have you watched them run-blocking? Pulling centers, pulling guards! I don't see ANY of this on the part of the Vikings. It looks like straight ahead blocking and trying to simply protect the passer.
    Now, I'm not trying to compare the NFL to college, but I don't see any improvision by the "O" line on the part of the Vikings. Maybe I'm missing something but I see it on a lot of other NFL teams.
    I think you haven't seen it with us because of the constant rotation in positions and such. I saw a few plays where we pulled our Guard yesterday I didn't notice any center pulls. Last week though we pulled Guard and Center.

    I think this week they cut a lot of that out because of the new guys who didn't know the offense but Tice wanted them to play anyway.

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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    Yah COJO.. That's why I want Greg Eslinger.. He is VERYYY athletic and pulls awesome.. He would be awesome to put at guard if we get Birk back next year.. He would be a steal in the second round

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    I would totally agree that Eslinger would make a great addition to the Vikes. I really doubt that he will fall that far to us though.
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    Yah he should most likley go 1st round.. It's high hopes to get him in the second round.. But it would definitley be worth it if we can get him then.. He will be an awesome pro.. Mark my words.. He will put on like 20 pounds to bulk up a bit and be amazing

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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    I could see the spacing issue on inside runs, but overall, it all matters how much leverage and push you get. Plenty of teams line up tight and still pound it up the middle when they need to including the Bills and Steelers.

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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    I was confused as to whether we were trying to run up the middle or whether they lays were designed for cutbacks and bounce-outs. It was either Mewelde's great vision or great playcalling on the runs that let us hit the edges so well.

    I also wanted to see our O-line splits during some pass plays. Wouldn't it make sense that small splits allow for a smaller pocket? Brad definetly had little time to throw and every time he pumped or tapped the ball I cringed. His timing did seem to improve as the game went on though.
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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    I noticed that. Apparently they're actually paying Madden for something. Somebody must have told him about it, because there's no way that he could possibly notice anything that isn't blatantly obvious to the average Packer fan.


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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish on offense. If you are running a double wing/flexbone offense (like what Air Force runs if you've ever watched them) you're linemen's feet are together, because if there are gaps too wide on the run plays they can be blown up easily. We might have wanted to bounce runs to the outside or we have been seeing plays blown up too often in the backfield, so they tightened up to prevent that.

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    Re: Is Madden right about our Off.line ?

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    I loved the win last night. Mewelde played an amazing game, Brad was almost mistake free again, and Koren Robinson looks almost Randy-like. The defense is opportunistic like the Bears. I was very impressed. Very impressed that we won our 3rd in a row, and the second in a row on grass, away from MN.

    And yet... that thing Madden said about our offensive line being too close together to allow the running backs to have lanes bothers me. Is that true ? Do our guards and tackles line up too close to each other ?

    What do you think ?
    I totally agree with Madden there.

    My coaches tell this to us all the time, Inside the tackles wide splits. Outside the tackles tight splits. Average splits are usually about 3 feet apart, and our linemen are HUGE, so they can afford even larger splits. But they still line up really close. It could be Loney's fault for poorly attempting to run an offense, instead of focusing on the line.

    There is a huge weak point in our line though, the right side. It seriously improved when Rosenthal was taken out though, he played terrible.

    McKinnie absoultely shut down Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila last night though.
    Fonoti played well when he was in (did anyone else hear him say his full samoan name? when they introduced the Offense)
    Marcus Johnson really stepped up and stopped Kampman, and Withrow did well enough.

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