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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

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    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

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    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...
    He's been two years removed.... and was only here for one year.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

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    "Mr-holland" wrote:
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    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...
    He's been two years removed.... and was only here for one year.
    And Mike Tomlin instilled the system (during his one year stay, that ended 2 years ago) in which Leslie thrives. I can see where Holland is coming from.

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Mr-holland" wrote:
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    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...

    Not like it's an exact copy

    We brought him in because he wanted to run a simular D.. I can't blame him for that

    He adjusts to our strengths.. He is our only coach who does that.. So I give him props

    He mixes in man to man and blitzes well.. Tomlin actually did not.. he stuck with his cover 2 shell and we were dead last in passing yards the year he was here..

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit.. Mixed in good blitzes.. Played more man and bump n run.. And of course the addition of Allen helped alot.. But never the less thats a HUGE jump

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

    "V4L" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "Mr-holland" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...

    Not like it's an exact copy

    We brought him in because he wanted to run a simular D.. I can't blame him for that

    He adjusts to our strengths.. He is our only coach who does that.. So I give him props

    He mixes in man to man and blitzes well.. Tomlin actually did not.. he stuck with his cover 2 shell and we were dead last in passing yards the year he was here..

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit.. Mixed in good blitzes.. Played more man and bump n run.. And of course the addition of Allen helped alot.. But never the less thats a HUGE jump
    I think Leslie is a damn good d-coord but he was put in a good environment to succeed as well. I'd say he's good but not great, whereas Tomlin really took our defense to new heights and was indeed great imo.

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit
    He fixed the shit outta that shit...

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

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    [quote author=V4L link=topic=51890.msg950505#msg950505 date=1242936867]
    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...

    Not like it's an exact copy

    We brought him in because he wanted to run a simular D.. I can't blame him for that

    He adjusts to our strengths.. He is our only coach who does that.. So I give him props

    He mixes in man to man and blitzes well.. Tomlin actually did not.. he stuck with his cover 2 shell and we were dead last in passing yards the year he was here..

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit.. Mixed in good blitzes.. Played more man and bump n run.. And of course the addition of Allen helped alot.. But never the less thats a HUGE jump
    I think Leslie is a damn good d-coord but he was put in a good environment to succeed as well. I'd say he's good but not great, whereas Tomlin really took our defense to new heights and was indeed great imo.

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit
    He fixed the shit outta that shit...
    [/quote]


    Tomlin was put in basically the same situation then as well

    Only other starter that Leslie took over was Allen right?

    Nothing against Tomlin.. He seems to be a great guy and good leader.. But he has benifited from being put in great situations

    Could be said about Leslie was well.. But im glad he is here.. he fits our mold and utilizes his talent well.. Definitley not a product of the system concidering they are different.. Although we still say we play mostly cover 2.. It is like 40 percent man

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

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    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
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    "C" wrote:
    [quote author=Mr-holland link=topic=51890.msg950561#msg950561 date=1242940593]
    [quote author=V4L link=topic=51890.msg950505#msg950505 date=1242936867]
    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...

    Not like it's an exact copy

    We brought him in because he wanted to run a simular D.. I can't blame him for that

    He adjusts to our strengths.. He is our only coach who does that.. So I give him props

    He mixes in man to man and blitzes well.. Tomlin actually did not.. he stuck with his cover 2 shell and we were dead last in passing yards the year he was here..

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit.. Mixed in good blitzes.. Played more man and bump n run.. And of course the addition of Allen helped alot.. But never the less thats a HUGE jump
    I think Leslie is a damn good d-coord but he was put in a good environment to succeed as well. I'd say he's good but not great, whereas Tomlin really took our defense to new heights and was indeed great imo.

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit
    He fixed the shit outta that shit...
    [/quote]


    Tomlin was put in basically the same situation then as well

    Only other starter that Leslie took over was Allen right?

    Nothing against Tomlin.. He seems to be a great guy and good leader.. But he has benifited from being put in great situations

    Could be said about Leslie was well.. But im glad he is here.. he fits our mold and utilizes his talent well.. Definitley not a product of the system concidering they are different.. Although we still say we play mostly cover 2.. It is like 40 percent man
    [/quote]

    Tomlin was there for our teams transition to the cover 2, Leslie took over the scheme that Tomlin installed, the cover 2. Tomlin inherited the players, sure, but he brought his own scheme. Leslie inherrieted the players and they were already adapted to the cover 2. Therefor what Tomlin did is more impressive imo...

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    Re: A Look at the Key Cogs in the Minnesota Vikings Coaching Staff

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
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    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=51890.msg950562#msg950562 date=1242940687]
    [quote author=Mr-holland link=topic=51890.msg950561#msg950561 date=1242940593]
    [quote author=V4L link=topic=51890.msg950505#msg950505 date=1242936867]
    Our coaches suck slick willy

    Only good one Leslie
    I feel like Leslie is a product of the system..
    Our defensive coach is a product of the system brought in by an "offensive guru"?
    It was instilled by Mike Tomlin though, who won a Superbowl...

    Not like it's an exact copy

    We brought him in because he wanted to run a simular D.. I can't blame him for that

    He adjusts to our strengths.. He is our only coach who does that.. So I give him props

    He mixes in man to man and blitzes well.. Tomlin actually did not.. he stuck with his cover 2 shell and we were dead last in passing yards the year he was here..

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit.. Mixed in good blitzes.. Played more man and bump n run.. And of course the addition of Allen helped alot.. But never the less thats a HUGE jump
    I think Leslie is a damn good d-coord but he was put in a good environment to succeed as well. I'd say he's good but not great, whereas Tomlin really took our defense to new heights and was indeed great imo.

    Frazier said fuck that and fixed that shit
    He fixed the shit outta that shit...
    [/quote]


    Tomlin was put in basically the same situation then as well

    Only other starter that Leslie took over was Allen right?

    Nothing against Tomlin.. He seems to be a great guy and good leader.. But he has benifited from being put in great situations

    Could be said about Leslie was well.. But im glad he is here.. he fits our mold and utilizes his talent well.. Definitley not a product of the system concidering they are different.. Although we still say we play mostly cover 2.. It is like 40 percent man
    [/quote]

    Tomlin was there for our teams transition to the cover 2, Leslie took over the scheme that Tomlin installed, the cover 2. Tomlin inherited the players, sure, but he brought his own scheme. Leslie inherrieted the players and they were already adapted to the cover 2. Therefor what Tomlin did is more impressive imo...
    [/quote]

    Can't argue

    I just feel Frazier is just as good as Tomlin

    Just because they ran simular schemes doesn't mean Fraz is a product of the system tho IMO

    I feel he switched things up enough to think otherwise

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