Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 33 of 33
  1. #31
    bigbadragz's Avatar
    bigbadragz is offline Coordinator
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    823

    Re: Logic Behind Starting T.Jack over Bollinger

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    Put it this way:

    - Tarvaris right now has a 45 % completion rate in a "west coast offense" that emphasizes short passes. This is just not acceptable in the NFL (period.). If you are QB for the Raiders, who throw deep every other play, a 45 % completion rate might be acceptable, but not on a team that is running short routes. It just is not acceptable. Tarvaris is by far the NFL starting QB the farthest from being a starting QB in the NFL. (Maybe we should call him "Tar-Farthest"). No NFL scouts thought Tarvaris could cut it in the NFL, and I am beginning to think that they were all right.

    - At the same time, to be honest, I have to say, the Bears game, Tarvaris looked o.k. when he was just handing off to AP and then doing play action off that. I think the solution is right in front of Childress, but for whatever reason, he refuses to execute it. The solution is to simplify the offense and just run AP and then run play action off that. It works ! But hey, Chilly would rather prove his "concept" than win games, obviously.
    : It is all "about the long term".
    :

    - What I am trying to say is, whether T-Jacks will work out or not really depends on the scheme: - If we continue to try to run the "west coast offense" with a QB who has less than a 50 % completion rate, we are DONE. However, IF we use the obvious strengths of our offense (AP), and run the ball 30 times and only throw off play action, Tarvaris might work out .

    - Bollinger has a 97 QB rating right now. I just want to mention that that is about twice what Jackson's QB rating is right now, and better than Favre. I personally like Bollinger's mechanics and how he zips the ball in.

    And yes, we maybe can wait 3 years for Tarvaris to "develop". I personally think that is ridiculous in the modern NFL. Might have worked in 1982. Not now. In the modern NFL, you win now, or else, forget it.

    Bottom line: There are few or no NFL teams who would do what we are doing: install a I-AA QB, and then continue to start him "no matter what", even after he proves extremely mediocre, and has only a 47 QB rating. Almost no NFL organizations would accept the explanation Childress is giving for this whole thing.
    before we compare qb ratings can we get a bigger sample size than 4 starts for tjack, and one half for bollinger.
    if jackson completes 15-20 this week his completion percentage will probably jump to like 65%.


    and if our offense isn't simplified as it's being run now, i dont even wanna know what it's gonna look like to simplify it.
    in 2 years now have you seen the qb audible a whole lot at the line of scrimmage.
    i haven't, and i honestly believe childress discourages it from the qbs.
    if our offense is just so complex that calling runs on 3rd and 13's is a qbs fault, then i'm missing something.

    we are bad on offense for alot of reasons, and this is why i believe childress deserves most of the blame.
    cuz offense is his bag, and in 1 1/2 years now with different qbs, wrs, tes, and adding petersen we are the same team on offense.
    am i the only one baffled at how this is possible?
    LET THAT WHICH DOES NOT MATTER, TRULY SLIDE

  2. #32
    StillPurple is offline Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    1,255

    Re: Logic Behind Starting T.Jack over Bollinger

    The Bears game shows the way: we came out and ran the ball constantly. We only passed off play-action when the safeties came up into the box. It is not complicated. That worked.

    Childress constantly wants to prove that his original scheme ("the west coast offense, the way we ran it in Phili") will work here. The only problem is: it is not working !!

    Every play when Tarvaris is not handing the ball off, he ends up panicking and just running. Thus, our typical play is a broken play, with our "rookie" QB rolling out and then bad things happending. That is not the west coast offense, as Bill Walsh designed it (to state that mildly).

    I really don't know what we are doing. We pay Hutchinson $ 40 million and then have him "zone block" ??? (WTF !

    ).

    Solution: Let Hutchinson do what he does best: Maul guys.

    Let AP do what he does best: Run the ball.

    Childress is making this WAY too complicated. Sometimes, the SIMPLE solution is the best solution.




  3. #33
    midgensa's Avatar
    midgensa is offline Jersey Retired Free Kick Specialist 3 Champion
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    6,308

    Re: Logic Behind Starting T.Jack over Bollinger

    "StillPurple" wrote:
    The Bears game shows the way: we came out and ran the ball constantly. We only passed off play-action when the safeties came up into the box. It is not complicated. That worked.

    Childress constantly wants to prove that his original scheme ("the west coast offense, the way we ran it in Phili") will work here. The only problem is: it is not working !!

    Every play when Tarvaris is not handing the ball off, he ends up panicking and just running. Thus, our typical play is a broken play, with our "rookie" QB rolling out and then bad things happending. That is not the west coast offense, as Bill Walsh designed it (to state that mildly).

    I really don't know what we are doing. We pay Hutchinson $ 40 million and then have him "zone block" ??? (WTF !

    ).

    Solution: Let Hutchinson do what he does best: Maul guys.

    Let AP do what he does best: Run the ball.

    Childress is making this WAY too complicated. Sometimes, the SIMPLE solution is the best solution.



    Well as far as Hutchinson and AP go I actually agree with you for a change. As far as T-Jack ... he really does not run all that much, and I think he stays in the pocket a little too long sometimes.
    Hell ... T-Jack or Bollinger is not going to scare any defenses, best to see if T-Jack can mature at all.

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234

Similar Threads

  1. Bollinger on fire in UFL
    By Marrdro in forum General NFL Discussion
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 10-24-2009, 10:13 PM
  2. Bollinger starting QB next year?
    By gagarr in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 103
    Last Post: 11-11-2007, 11:52 PM
  3. Holcomb or Bollinger?
    By Big C in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 65
    Last Post: 10-29-2007, 07:48 AM
  4. T-Jack, Bollinger, or a rookie....
    By HoosierVike in forum Vikings Offseason/Draft/FA Forum
    Replies: 94
    Last Post: 04-19-2007, 02:00 PM
  5. Using Logic
    By singersp in forum The Clubhouse
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 02-27-2007, 09:59 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •