Thread: lions post game thread
10-03-2012, 07:02 AM #61Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
10-03-2012, 08:31 AM #62
First, it is difficult to put up big numbers when the team does not have the ball. The Vikings special teams basically took two drives away from the offense, and that is fine with me.
Second, the playcalling on offense was inconsistent, and the Harvin tricky play sidetracked a drive once again. On another play, Ponder cannot personally add YAC to a two yard flat pass that needs eight yards for a first down.
Third, the Lions defense gave the Vikings yardage on two deep plays that Ponder will not get credit for in his stats. The Vikings went deep more times against the Lions than they had in any game this season, and it paid off, but it neither shows up in Ponder's stats nor is reflected in his QB rating.
Fourth, sometimes Ponder just had to take what the Detroit defense would give him or not give him on the plays called. If the situation was third and long and the defense had coverage and provided pressure, Ponder threw the ball away. That is heads up football. It was what Ponder did NOT do against Detroit last season.
There is room for improvement, to be sure, but I would not fault Ponder for the offensive woes on paper against the Lions.
Last edited by Minniman; 10-03-2012 at 08:35 AM.
10-03-2012, 10:43 AM #63
Can we put another shout out for Sherels run though. That play really put this game away for us and it was one of the better punt returns I have seen. I was really concerned when he didn't call a fair catch with the Lions player bearing down on him. Looked like he was ripe to get slaughtered, fumble the ball and put the Lions right back in it. It all worked out and changed the second half strategy instantly.
10-03-2012, 10:46 AM #64
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10-03-2012, 06:09 PM #66
I also wanted to state that we are doing great as a team but we must improve our scoring. We simply kick too many FG and fail to score on too many drives. This is on Ponder. The play calling on the drive that stalled was great until it bogged down in the redzone. The Harvin Cat was called perfectly and was blocked well along the OL except for our in house "Load of crap" His man beat him and made the tackle on a play that Harvin walks into the endzone on. The other passes by Ponder were not good. He has always seemed to bog down in the red zone.
10-03-2012, 10:37 PM #67Pro-Bowler
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I believe the staff put a tighter leash on Ponder for this game because of how he played at Detroit last year. For whatever reason, he was very aggressive in that game last year and it was one of his worst games. Having said that though, I think the ultra conservative approach on Sunday would have cost us a win too if the ST's didn't bail us out. We had no counter to them shutting down Harvin.
10-04-2012, 05:06 AM #68
They also had the ball for 9 other drives not counting the returns, which led to only 6 points.
There's a time to be a little conservative, but I think Frazier/Musgrave, much like Childress, is too conservative. Not putting up any offensive points in the second half out of conservatism, happened to work out to a win this past week, but against better offensive teams, they'll crawl back into it & go ahead just as we've seen many times before.
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10-04-2012, 07:47 AM #69
However, he was INC on a 3-8, 3-6, and a 3-3, and was sacked on a 3-8. The other 5 third downs were ALL short passes that fell below where we needed to be. That's not "taking what the defense gives you", that's a combination of poor play calling, and checking down to your escape receiver.
So, either the Receivers aren't getting open (which is a part of the problem), Musgrave's play calling sucks (another part), or Ponder is making the easy throws but not getting the job done.
It's actually a combination of all three...but this is about Ponder.
I'm not throwing in the towel on Ponder, I'm not declaring he's a bust, I'm simply pointing out that HIS part of the game was disappointing. Because it was.
Look at it another way; if this was Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or any other QB, we'd say that the Defense shut him down. But because it's Ponder, we say "He took what the Defense gave him" or "He managed the game". The TEAM won, but Ponder did not have a great game.
Once in awhile, that's fine. It happens. And I will point it out when it does. But if it becomes a pattern - like it did with Jackson - then we have a bigger problem.
For now, however, it's just one game. But I'll be watching for improvement....not making excuses.
10-04-2012, 08:07 AM #70