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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

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    Vikings interim coach Leslie Frazier has refused to say his team has lacked effort in losing its past two games to the Giants and Bears by a combined score of 61-17.

    But the reality the Vikings face Wednesday as they begin preparations for Sunday night's game at NFC East-leading Philadelphia is that if their performance doesn't improve they stand to end up in a place this franchise isn't used to finishing.

    Last in their division.
    Last place the Vikings want to be is in last


    Just in case you missed it.........

    Last in their division.
    Sad day my friends.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm torn on Leslie. I don't think he is the man for the job but I think he is the only one that can help keep alot of our players here instead of jumping ship and heading to greener pastures.

    Such a shame to watch a young talented team get dismantled.
    I haven't budged an inch off of my "Leslie Frazier might make a hreat HC...but not HERE" stance. And it has very little to do with player retention.

    FWIW, if we get the right people in charge, the talent will stay.

    I think this is who you're refering to:

    - Brett Favre, QB, Age 40

    - Sidney Rice, WR, Age 24

    - Brian Robison, DE, Age 27

    - Jayme Mitchell, DE, Age 26

    - Pat Williams, DT, Age 37

    - Chad Greenway, OLB, Age 27

    - Ben Leber, OLB, Age 31

    - Erin Henderson, OLB, Age 24 (restricted)

    - Husain Abdullah, S, Age 25

    - Ryan Longwell, K, Age 36

    Of that list, Rice and Greenway are the "must sign" guys...and I'm a bit hesitant with regards to Rice.

    Leber is a solid player, but aging, Robison is a nice depth guy, and Longwell has been solid.

    Other than that, the rest are role players...guys we can replace.

    And if you bring up Edwards or Jackson...I don't care if we keep either of them as niether one has been very impressive.

    So, the "talent" issue becomes less about KEEPING it and more about FINDING and DEVELOPING it...

    I don't know that Leslie can do that.

    Caine
    So for you its all about the starters huh? I guess that rings true if you look at the OL as they are the only position (other than QB) that doesn't rotate in and out.

    Anyways, here is another look at it with the thought in mind of what the player provides to the team as a player and not just a starter....

    17 Players can walk at the end of the year. Almost everyone of them are a current starter, have started at one point in thier career.
    Brett Favre 40 2011
    Tarvaris Jackson 27 2011
    Naufahu Tahi 28 2011
    Sidney Rice 24 2011
    Greg Lewis 30 2011
    Ryan Cook 27 2011
    Ray Edwards 25 2011
    Brian Robison 27 2011
    Pat Williams 37 2011
    Fred Evans 26 2011
    Chad Greenway 27 2011
    Ben Leber 31 2011
    Erin Henderson 24 2011
    Eric Frampton 26 2011
    Husain Abdullah 25 2011
    Lito Sheppard 29 2011
    Ryan Longwell 36 2011

    The following 9 players should get deals done at the end of this year leading up to next year.
    Letroy Guion 23 2012
    E.J. Henderson 30 2012
    Jimmy Kennedy 30 2012
    John Sullivan 25 2012
    Visanthe Shiancoe 30 2012
    Jim Kleinsasser 33 2012
    Jeff Dugan 29 2012
    Heath Farwell 28 2012
    Greg Camarillo 28 2012

    Thats 26 players (out of your 53 man roster) that expect to have a contract of some sort done this year (excluding a few). The ones that are sitting back in the 2013 and 2014 class will be watching with interest how the organization takes care of its own.

    Say what you will with respect to your feelings about how important or unimportant they are to this team but you just can't loose that many players and still think you are going to maintain any kindof consistency on the field of play especially when you mix in how the ones that are left behind might percieve the actions taken by the FO pukes.
    And for every Free Agent that walks, you have the opportunity to sign another one.

    Face it, we're a crap team right now. We can't really blame all of our woes on injury. We have to recognize that the CORE guys, the one's we were all so fired up on, have failed to perform.
    I hear ya and agree, however, I feel that two things happen when you see a team have a mass exodus like this...

    1. You loose the team chemistry and consistency associated with the time those players spent getting to know each other.
    2. Teams will overpay and wind up with just a few quality FA's. Those FA's will also contribute to the inconsistency because they don't know the system or the players they are now working with.

    Shanc is a prime example of that. It isn't like he found talent. He always had it. He just needed to figure things out.

    Will we have a 53 man roster? Sure, but we won't have the consistency if we were to retain all but a select few. Teams like the Steelers and Pats let that select few go, promote from within which keeps them consistent.

    We are not only going to loose alot of good players, we are also going to loose a few we would normally promote from within. (if that makes sense)


    That said, there are a handful of guys who haven't failed. Greenway and Leber head that list IMO. Rice is there, but with questions...is he durable enough? Can he reproduce his '09 season?
    But will they stay? I like to think that there is still a bit of loyalty out there, however, I am a realist. Chads, Syds, Bens agents are going to advise them to go were they will be able to meet the escalators that will be in thier contracts.

    Teams that are inconsistent aren't really conduscive to meeting those incentives.

    I really really really am worried about how this organization will be percieved by the agents representing not only the players on our roster but players out there that we might want to come join the roster.

    After that, it becomes a series of guys who can contribute, but the world doesn't stop turning if they're gone. So we sign the ones we can get VALUE from, and let the rest go.

    We'll probably keep the DB's, because there's such a shortage of good ones. And Robison is a solid contributor.

    But that also depends upon their asking price. Almost no one on that list is a deal breaker/must sign guy except Greenway.

    So keeping Leslie on the assumption that he will be able to resign these guys is piling a mistake on top of a mistake.

    Caine
    Good stuff and I agree, but in the end it isn't what we want to keep, its gonna be who of them will want to stay.

    I think its pretty evident that Edwards will leave. Thats ok cause we have a backup that looks ready. El Syds move to get his surgery later rather than sooner is an indicator that I think his agent is advising him to move on. I think Chad will be loyal. Again, I might be a bit naive in that regard. Lineman are short, I bet Cook moves on as well. If nothing else he has proven to be a good swing man. Abdullah came on strong this year and could garner a nice check, etc etc etc.

    I know you don't see the talent the way I do, but I think its there and other teams are just waiting to snatch it up. (Sad crying emoticon)
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1085396
    And for every Free Agent that walks, you have the opportunity to sign another one.

    Face it, we're a crap team right now. We can't really blame all of our woes on injury. We have to recognize that the CORE guys, the one's we were all so fired up on, have failed to perform.
    I hear ya and agree, however, I feel that two things happen when you see a team have a mass exodus like this...

    1. You loose the team chemistry and consistency associated with the time those players spent getting to know each other.
    2. Teams will overpay and wind up with just a few quality FA's. Those FA's will also contribute to the inconsistency because they don't know the system or the players they are now working with.

    Shanc is a prime example of that. It isn't like he found talent. He always had it. He just needed to figure things out.

    Will we have a 53 man roster? Sure, but we won't have the consistency if we were to retain all but a select few. Teams like the Steelers and Pats let that select few go, promote from within which keeps them consistent.

    We are not only going to loose alot of good players, we are also going to loose a few we would normally promote from within. (if that makes sense)


    That said, there are a handful of guys who haven't failed. Greenway and Leber head that list IMO. Rice is there, but with questions...is he durable enough? Can he reproduce his '09 season?
    But will they stay? I like to think that there is still a bit of loyalty out there, however, I am a realist. Chads, Syds, Bens agents are going to advise them to go were they will be able to meet the escalators that will be in thier contracts.

    Teams that are inconsistent aren't really conduscive to meeting those incentives.

    I really really really am worried about how this organization will be percieved by the agents representing not only the players on our roster but players out there that we might want to come join the roster.

    After that, it becomes a series of guys who can contribute, but the world doesn't stop turning if they're gone. So we sign the ones we can get VALUE from, and let the rest go.

    We'll probably keep the DB's, because there's such a shortage of good ones. And Robison is a solid contributor.

    But that also depends upon their asking price. Almost no one on that list is a deal breaker/must sign guy except Greenway.

    So keeping Leslie on the assumption that he will be able to resign these guys is piling a mistake on top of a mistake.

    Caine
    Good stuff and I agree, but in the end it isn't what we want to keep, its gonna be who of them will want to stay.

    I think its pretty evident that Edwards will leave. Thats ok cause we have a backup that looks ready. El Syds move to get his surgery later rather than sooner is an indicator that I think his agent is advising him to move on. I think Chad will be loyal. Again, I might be a bit naive in that regard. Lineman are short, I bet Cook moves on as well. If nothing else he has proven to be a good swing man. Abdullah came on strong this year and could garner a nice check, etc etc etc.

    I know you don't see the talent the way I do, but I think its there and other teams are just waiting to snatch it up. (Sad crying emoticon)
    You talk about chemistry...but where was it all season? Our team came back virtually INTACT from a 12-4 season that heartbreakingly ended in New Orleans at teh NFC Championship...and proceeded to suck royally. Chemistry couldn't have been the problem...maybe it was talent?

    My point is that while I agree that many teams DO over pay in FA, we don't have to follow that model. Whomever our new HC is will have to find his core guys and build around them. Greenway is a great one to build around. So is Peterson. Rice? Not so much. Harvin? Not so much.

    Next season will hurt, most likely. I do NOT look for a quick turnaround on being a Superbowl caliber team. I think it will take a few years to repair the holes AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW...


    ...but a lot of factors remain undefined. The primary one is WHO the new HC will be...and until we answer THAT question and find out what scheme he's going to run, everything else is moot.

    Caine

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    You talk about chemistry...but where was it all season? Our team came back virtually INTACT from a 12-4 season that heartbreakingly ended in New Orleans at teh NFC Championship...and proceeded to suck royally. Chemistry couldn't have been the problem...maybe it was talent?
    The problems of that final game in New Orleans came back in spades......Favre was AGAIN successfully targeted for destruction.

    The key problem was that Favre got hurt starting with the first game due to poor pass protection and sheer bad luck.

    More bad luck.....receivers were hurt and Harvin was out with migraines.

    So receiver/QB practice suffered on both ends.

    They were reluctant to do slants because of this lack of practice.

    Timing was off, the offense was too complex and receivers ran the wrong way at the same time the OL was screwing up.

    Our coach was not only unable to deal with it....he made it worse.

    Chemistry is going to suffer in that atmosphere.

    Some folks are going to quit or at least dog it a bit.....because they get discouraged.

    Our conditioning was not what it should have been.

    A mix of bad things.....not a perfect storm, but perfect enough to ruin a season.

    It's quite likely that things will go better, not worse, next year........if the QB situation is resolved in a satisfactory manner and we can pick up a couple of O-Linemen.
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1085376
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1085360
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1085342
    Vikings interim coach Leslie Frazier has refused to say his team has lacked effort in losing its past two games to the Giants and Bears by a combined score of 61-17.

    But the reality the Vikings face Wednesday as they begin preparations for Sunday night's game at NFC East-leading Philadelphia is that if their performance doesn't improve they stand to end up in a place this franchise isn't used to finishing.

    Last in their division.
    Last place the Vikings want to be is in last


    Just in case you missed it.........

    Last in their division.
    Sad day my friends.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm torn on Leslie. I don't think he is the man for the job but I think he is the only one that can help keep alot of our players here instead of jumping ship and heading to greener pastures.

    Such a shame to watch a young talented team get dismantled.
    I haven't budged an inch off of my "Leslie Frazier might make a hreat HC...but not HERE" stance. And it has very little to do with player retention.

    FWIW, if we get the right people in charge, the talent will stay.

    I think this is who you're refering to:

    - Brett Favre, QB, Age 40

    - Sidney Rice, WR, Age 24

    - Brian Robison, DE, Age 27

    - Jayme Mitchell, DE, Age 26

    - Pat Williams, DT, Age 37

    - Chad Greenway, OLB, Age 27

    - Ben Leber, OLB, Age 31

    - Erin Henderson, OLB, Age 24 (restricted)

    - Husain Abdullah, S, Age 25

    - Ryan Longwell, K, Age 36

    Of that list, Rice and Greenway are the "must sign" guys...and I'm a bit hesitant with regards to Rice.

    Leber is a solid player, but aging, Robison is a nice depth guy, and Longwell has been solid.

    Other than that, the rest are role players...guys we can replace.

    And if you bring up Edwards or Jackson...I don't care if we keep either of them as niether one has been very impressive.

    So, the "talent" issue becomes less about KEEPING it and more about FINDING and DEVELOPING it...

    I don't know that Leslie can do that.

    Caine
    So for you its all about the starters huh? I guess that rings true if you look at the OL as they are the only position (other than QB) that doesn't rotate in and out.

    Anyways, here is another look at it with the thought in mind of what the player provides to the team as a player and not just a starter....



    Thats 26 players (out of your 53 man roster) that expect to have a contract of some sort done this year (excluding a few). The ones that are sitting back in the 2013 and 2014 class will be watching with interest how the organization takes care of its own.

    Say what you will with respect to your feelings about how important or unimportant they are to this team but you just can't loose that many players and still think you are going to maintain any kindof consistency on the field of play especially when you mix in how the ones that are left behind might percieve the actions taken by the FO pukes.
    Didn't we trade Mitchell months ago?

    Otherwise- I don't think this list is really as painful as you make it sound, yeah, theres some good players there, but nothing irreplaceable...

    17 Players can walk at the end of the year. Almost everyone of them are a current starter, have started at one point in thier career.
    Brett Favre 40 2011

    This one has been beat to death, I'll leave it alone

    Tarvaris Jackson 27 2011

    Talent or not, he has struggled on the field historically, and has alienated half of the fanbase. Also, likely easily replaceable thru FA or the draft.

    Naufahu Tahi 28 2011

    absolutely worthless... letting Richardson go in favor of him was one of the worst personnel moves that ol' baldy made.

    Sidney Rice 24 2011

    An excellent athlete, and I really like him being a Viking, but compare the Vikings with and without him this year, and its pretty obvious that he is a player we could possibly move on from.

    Greg Lewis 30 2011

    Yeah, right. Interchangeable part. I'd rather have a 4th/5th WR that is a young guy just getting into the league, than a older journeyman like Lewis

    Ryan Cook 27 2011

    Actually, one of the guys I would most dislike losing. He is never going to be great but he provides good, versatile depth on the line, he can play all five positions.

    Ray Edwards 25 2011

    Lots of talk- what has he done? more importantly, what has he done that we couldn't get out of Robison or a cheaper guy?

    Brian Robison 27 2011

    I really like Robison, I think he could start for most teams in this league. For that reason alone, I don't think they can keep him and Edwards.

    Pat Williams 37 2011

    Older than dirt- whether he comes back or not, his replacement should be on the roster next year (Guion??)

    Fred Evans 26 2011

    Another interchangeable part. It would be nice to keep him, but if thay cant, they can get the same role out of any number of DT's.

    Chad Greenway 27 2011

    Probably the best player on this list: should be the primary guy they try to retain over the offseason.

    Ben Leber 31 2011

    very solid guy, would be a great one to keep. that said, there will be a good handful of linebackers, either on the roster, in FA, or in the draft who can step into his role.

    Erin Henderson 24 2011

    Would like to keep him, has potential, but is currently just a special teamer

    Eric Frampton 26 2011

    Solid special team player, decent backup, but we need to get a decent safety as a priority this offseason, since Madon't is clearly not cutting it. Frampton might be the guy that gets left out to open the roster spot.

    Husain Abdullah 25 2011

    Seems to be turning it, lots of potential. I think he stays.

    Lito Sheppard 29 2011

    hahahahaha... so glad he is on this list

    Ryan Longwell 36 2011

    Yeah, I don't see many situations where he doesn't stay

    The following 9 players should get deals done at the end of this year leading up to next year.
    Letroy Guion 23 2012

    DT of the future?? maybe. Worth keeping?? definitely.

    E.J. Henderson 30 2012

    Two major season ending injuries, and he will be 32 by the time a new contract takes effect. Perhaps a short term deal, but probably all he should get.

    Jimmy Kennedy 30 2012

    interchangeable part.

    John Sullivan 25 2012

    Lets see how he develops. Honestly he MAY be a guy who becomes a great NFL lineman for the next ten years, and he may become an injury prone backup who fades into obscurity. a lot depends on who the new coach is, his approach to the line, and his faith in sully.

    Visanthe Shiancoe 30 2012

    Yeah, where has he been this year? plus, he isn't getting much younger.

    Jim Kleinsasser 33 2012

    If he will stay in the same role he is now (why not?) he will probably stay on the team. Its like having a 6th lineman in there. Cut Tahi and put sauce in at FB haha

    Jeff Dugan 29 2012

    good player to have, but interchangeable...

    Heath Farwell 28 2012

    ST stud. or what passes for one on this team. probably not going to go anywhere

    Greg Camarillo 28 2012

    Keeper. should be one of our starters next year if anyone with any sense comes in. assuming they don't pick up a better WR. that would essentially give three basic scenarios: Rice, Camarillo, and Harvin in the slot, or Berrian, Camarillo, Harvin (God help us) or Player X, Camarillo, Harvin. obviously best case would be Player X, Rice, Harvin, Camarillo
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    I guess I am ready for a wholesale rebuild and to be honest with you at this point the difference to me between being 3rd or last in the division is that finishing last gives us a higher draft pick and this year I would like us picking as close to the top as possible.

    Nothing will be gained by finishing tied or one game ahead of Detroit. OTOH much can be gained if the right player is available when we draft.

    I said at the end of last season that we would see a dropoff this season but I never expected it to be this great. OTOH it certainly supports my claim that The team did not have the depth on the roster that some claim they did and it also showed that they were either not very good at finding players to fit "The Scheme" or that they were not that good at developing some of the later round talent that they brought in.

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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1085377
    Quote Originally Posted by "gregair13" #1085372
    Last in division after being one play away from the Superbowl. How the mighty have fallen
    I did a thread shortly before the season started that listed how the loosing teams (from thier respective Championship game) did the following year.

    It got kindof blown out of proportion by Midg cause I only went back 10 years and refused to mention the hate PUKERS in it, however, the data is still valid.

    Its gonna be interesting to see what the Jets do/continue to do this year. So far the Bafooooooon has them still in the hunt but he is working real hard at messing that up. :laugh:
    Isn't it more so with the Superbowl loser that does not make it back to the playoffs? 7/9 did not make the playoffs the next year.

    What happens to the conference losers? Usually those teams end up ok?
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1085421
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1085414
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1085396
    And for every Free Agent that walks, you have the opportunity to sign another one.

    Face it, we're a crap team right now. We can't really blame all of our woes on injury. We have to recognize that the CORE guys, the one's we were all so fired up on, have failed to perform.
    I hear ya and agree, however, I feel that two things happen when you see a team have a mass exodus like this...

    1. You loose the team chemistry and consistency associated with the time those players spent getting to know each other.
    2. Teams will overpay and wind up with just a few quality FA's. Those FA's will also contribute to the inconsistency because they don't know the system or the players they are now working with.

    Shanc is a prime example of that. It isn't like he found talent. He always had it. He just needed to figure things out.

    Will we have a 53 man roster? Sure, but we won't have the consistency if we were to retain all but a select few. Teams like the Steelers and Pats let that select few go, promote from within which keeps them consistent.

    We are not only going to loose alot of good players, we are also going to loose a few we would normally promote from within. (if that makes sense)


    That said, there are a handful of guys who haven't failed. Greenway and Leber head that list IMO. Rice is there, but with questions...is he durable enough? Can he reproduce his '09 season?
    But will they stay? I like to think that there is still a bit of loyalty out there, however, I am a realist. Chads, Syds, Bens agents are going to advise them to go were they will be able to meet the escalators that will be in thier contracts.

    Teams that are inconsistent aren't really conduscive to meeting those incentives.

    I really really really am worried about how this organization will be percieved by the agents representing not only the players on our roster but players out there that we might want to come join the roster.

    After that, it becomes a series of guys who can contribute, but the world doesn't stop turning if they're gone. So we sign the ones we can get VALUE from, and let the rest go.

    We'll probably keep the DB's, because there's such a shortage of good ones. And Robison is a solid contributor.

    But that also depends upon their asking price. Almost no one on that list is a deal breaker/must sign guy except Greenway.

    So keeping Leslie on the assumption that he will be able to resign these guys is piling a mistake on top of a mistake.

    Caine
    Good stuff and I agree, but in the end it isn't what we want to keep, its gonna be who of them will want to stay.

    I think its pretty evident that Edwards will leave. Thats ok cause we have a backup that looks ready. El Syds move to get his surgery later rather than sooner is an indicator that I think his agent is advising him to move on. I think Chad will be loyal. Again, I might be a bit naive in that regard. Lineman are short, I bet Cook moves on as well. If nothing else he has proven to be a good swing man. Abdullah came on strong this year and could garner a nice check, etc etc etc.

    I know you don't see the talent the way I do, but I think its there and other teams are just waiting to snatch it up. (Sad crying emoticon)
    You talk about chemistry...but where was it all season? Our team came back virtually INTACT from a 12-4 season that heartbreakingly ended in New Orleans at teh NFC Championship...and proceeded to suck royally. Chemistry couldn't have been the problem...maybe it was talent?

    My point is that while I agree that many teams DO over pay in FA, we don't have to follow that model. Whomever our new HC is will have to find his core guys and build around them. Greenway is a great one to build around. So is Peterson. Rice? Not so much. Harvin? Not so much.

    Next season will hurt, most likely. I do NOT look for a quick turnaround on being a Superbowl caliber team. I think it will take a few years to repair the holes AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW...


    ...but a lot of factors remain undefined. The primary one is WHO the new HC will be...and until we answer THAT question and find out what scheme he's going to run, everything else is moot.

    Caine
    The team chemistry went out the window when the FO pukes didn't sign players that needed to be signed and awarded a certain player an extra 4 mil for skipping camp.

    Mix in the double standard that we saw as a result of that and whatever chemistry we had the previous year was gone, just like the players who have been taking the season off have been gone.

    Again, you take over half of your roster and run them out there with little or no sign that you want them there and they will play like it and it doesn't matter who thier HC is or is gonna be. All they are concerned about is getting through the year and getting the hell out of here to a place that will give them that sense of security.
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    Quote Originally Posted by "gregair13" #1085453
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1085377
    Quote Originally Posted by "gregair13" #1085372
    Last in division after being one play away from the Superbowl. How the mighty have fallen
    I did a thread shortly before the season started that listed how the loosing teams (from thier respective Championship game) did the following year.

    It got kindof blown out of proportion by Midg cause I only went back 10 years and refused to mention the hate PUKERS in it, however, the data is still valid.

    Its gonna be interesting to see what the Jets do/continue to do this year. So far the Bafooooooon has them still in the hunt but he is working real hard at messing that up. :laugh:
    Isn't it more so with the Superbowl loser that does not make it back to the playoffs? 7/9 did not make the playoffs the next year.

    What happens to the conference losers? Usually those teams end up ok?
    Because the Vikes were the Conf looser and not the SB looser I didn't do a thread on that.

    The thread was about the conference losers and it wasn't OK.
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    [quote="Infidel" #1085423]
    It's quite likely that things will go better, not worse, next year........if the QB situation is resolved in a satisfactory manner and we can pick up a couple of O-Linemen.
    Did you look at the list? We need to pick up more than a QB and a couple of OLmen.
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    Re: Last place the Vikings want to be is in last

    [quote="Marrdro" #1085471]
    Quote Originally Posted by "Infidel" #1085423
    It's quite likely that things will go better, not worse, next year........if the QB situation is resolved in a satisfactory manner and we can pick up a couple of O-Linemen.
    Did you look at the list? We need to pick up more than a QB and a couple of OLmen.
    First things first.

    And I didn't say "Pick up" a QB. I said we need to resolve the QB situation in a satisfactory manner.

    That could be a lot more complicated than "Picking up."

    Getting rid of Childress was the biggest accomplishment.

    I think now that Childress is gone we'll have a respectable season next year with more wins than this year.

    Maybe surprise a lot of people.....we still have talent at a lot of positions.....it's just a matter of coaching and staying healthy.
    It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
    --John Wooden

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