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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    Don't forget Shancoe, he came up big after Jackson got benched.

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    Wow ... this is such a fresh new perspective. Glad to see him bring something new to the table. I had not heard a single person question our quarterback situation. Most talk about it like it is perfectly stable, but this guy reveals that it is not.
    Thank God for great journalism like this.

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    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.

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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    When we win a superbowl we'll have our franchise QB.

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    "kevoncox" wrote:
    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.
    I've had this argument with you before and admittedly, we differed more on how good our defense was than if TJ could lead us to the promise land. Nonetheless, we are making strides to make our offense balanced. A QB like TJ will hopefully get there, given time.

    What I find mroe worrisome is:
    - The window is closing. Depending on youngsters like Sullivan and Johnson might be what actually kills us.
    - If the TJ project is finally declared a failure, we have JDB waiting in the wings! Oh wait, he has generated zero hype, at all. I would rather trade up to take a top QB next year than wait for the JDB project.
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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    "kevoncox" wrote:
    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.
    Eh ... I normally avoid your hodgepodge, one paragraph, 47 line posts ... but
    +1
    People try and act like a solid QB is not important. But the simple fact is that there are 43 Super Bowl champs ALL TIME and ONLY THREE of them did it without a QB who was at some point in his career a Pro Bowl caliber signal-caller (the 1980 and 1983 Raiders with Jim Plunkett and the 1987 Redskins with Doug Williams). That is a pretty telling stat there. Every other Super Bowl champion QB was at least a one-time Pro Browler.
    It is hard for me to get excited about a team possibly "going all the way" when I don't think any of our QBs will ever sniff a Pro Bowl.

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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.
    Eh ... I normally avoid your hodgepodge, one paragraph, 47 line posts ... but
    +1
    People try and act like a solid QB is not important. But the simple fact is that there are 43 Super Bowl champs ALL TIME and ONLY THREE of them did it without a QB who was at some point in his career a Pro Bowl caliber signal-caller (the 1980 and 1983 Raiders with Jim Plunkett and the 1987 Redskins with Doug Williams). That is a pretty telling stat there. Every other Super Bowl champion QB was at least a one-time Pro Browler.
    It is hard for me to get excited about a team possibly "going all the way" when I don't think any of our QBs will ever sniff a Pro Bowl.
    Did they all have a Pro-Bowl under there belt before they won the super-bowl?
    I still have hope that Tjack can be the guy at some point. I see improvement in his game and improvement in the weapons he has to work with.
    I would guess most teams that win the superbowl have pro-bowlers at a lot of positions.

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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    "V" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.
    I've had this argument with you before and admittedly, we differed more on how good our defense was than if TJ could lead us to the promise land. Nonetheless, we are making strides to make our offense balanced. A QB like TJ will hopefully get there, given time.

    What I find mroe worrisome is:
    - The window is closing. Depending on youngsters like Sullivan and Johnson might be what actually kills us.
    - If the TJ project is finally declared a failure, we have JDB waiting in the wings! Oh wait, he has generated zero hype, at all. I would rather trade up to take a top QB next year than wait for the JDB project.
    Why is the window closing?
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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.
    I've had this argument with you before and admittedly, we differed more on how good our defense was than if TJ could lead us to the promise land. Nonetheless, we are making strides to make our offense balanced. A QB like TJ will hopefully get there, given time.

    What I find mroe worrisome is:
    - The window is closing. Depending on youngsters like Sullivan and Johnson might be what actually kills us.
    - If the TJ project is finally declared a failure, we have JDB waiting in the wings! Oh wait, he has generated zero hype, at all. I would rather trade up to take a top QB next year than wait for the JDB project.
    Why is the window closing?
    Because it's cold in Minnesota.
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    Re: Lack of franchise QB could vanquish Vikings in 2009

    "C" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    I don't understand the talk about not needing a Franchise QB to win it all. Getting to the Superbowl is near impossible without one. There have been a few teams that have done it but it usually requires a HISTORIC defense to do so. The problem with being a "ball control offense"
    is that if any team get up by 1 you are in trouble. We need an offense that is equally skilled in the pass and run. It's the only way to do it and it's the only gameplan that can keep defenses honest. In the playoffs teams are going to try and stop what we do best and make the other aspect of the offense beat us. We saw that vs. Philly and we lost. We kept Mcnabb in check almost all game long and it took one screen play to put the game out of reach. They stopped the runa nd we had nothing but three and outs. We need an top flight QB to make WIN the superbowl. A QB like TJ will only freeze up when our unbeatable run game is beaten.
    I've had this argument with you before and admittedly, we differed more on how good our defense was than if TJ could lead us to the promise land. Nonetheless, we are making strides to make our offense balanced. A QB like TJ will hopefully get there, given time.

    What I find mroe worrisome is:
    - The window is closing. Depending on youngsters like Sullivan and Johnson might be what actually kills us.
    - If the TJ project is finally declared a failure, we have JDB waiting in the wings! Oh wait, he has generated zero hype, at all. I would rather trade up to take a top QB next year than wait for the JDB project.
    Why is the window closing?
    Because it's cold in Minnesota.
    I got ya.


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