*Koren Robinson Thread*

[Rastak]

That guy EASILY could have killed someone during that "stunt" he pulled. I would think six months in the cooler is totally warrented in this case. Just a friendly shove in the direction of recovery for the guy, who clearly has bad bad problems.

[Prophet]

POSTED 9:42 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 10:50 p.m. EDT, August 21, 2006
CZAR PARTIALLY FUMBLES K-ROB ANALYSIS
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

John Czarnecki of FOXSports.com heaps praise on the Vikings for negotiating a contract with receiver Koren Robinson that provides them with maximum protection against a meltdown such as the one that occurred last week when K-Rob played Mo-Clo minus the loaded guns and Grey Goose.

After obtaining the full numbers on Robinson's three-year, $12 million deal, we generally agree.
There was no signing bonus paid to Robinson.
Instead, he received a $1 million roster bonus earlier this year, and he is scheduled to earn a weekly bonus of $81,250 for each game in which he's on the active roster in 2006.
His base salary is only $600,000, and he was eligible for (and we presume he received) a workout bonus of $100,000.

In 2007, Robinson is due to earn a roster bonus of $2 million and weekly bonuses of $103,125 for each game on the active roster.
His salary will be $750,000.
There's another workout bonus in the deal of $100,000.

In 2008, the initial roster bonus is $2.5 million, with weekly bonuses of $96,875 per game that he's on the active roster.
The salary is $1.05 million, and there's yet another $100,000 workout bonus.

So all of the money, with the exception of the $1 million roster bonus and the $100,000 workout bonus, has not been paid.

As to the team's ability to pursue the $1 million roster bonus, Czarnecki writes:
"[T]he bonus had a forfeiture clause for alcohol-drug related offenses.
The key point here is that there aren’t any restrictions on forfeiture language on roster bonuses like there are on signing bonuses in the new CBA. . . .
The Vikings have a great case to recoup the $1 million roster bonus (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/NFL_Czar) if they choose to do so."

We disagree.
Though the forfeiture provisions contained in the new Term Sheet (which still has yet to be codified as part of the official CBA) speak only in terms of "signing bonuses," we've previously reported that the new limitations apply to all types of bonuses.


Also, the Term Sheet expressly "prohibits individually negotiated provisions for forfeiture relating to violations of the NFL Drug and Steroid Policies (which policies will address this issue)."
Although the 2006 Substance Abuse Policy doesn't address the issue of bonus forfeitures, the fact remains that the Term Sheet makes it clear that forfeitures are no longer permitted for violations of the drug policy, and it's highly unlikely that the Vikings will be able to recover any portion of the money already paid to Robinson, regardless of what the contract says.

And the new CBA provisions clearly apply, since Robinson's deal wasn't signed until March 22, 2006, well after the Term Sheet was negotiated.

[Prophet]

KFFL
Vikings | Police and courts: K. Robinson
Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:20:01 -0700

Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings WR Koren Robinson's hearing in Kirkland (Wash.) Municipal Court has been rescheduled for Oct. 4.

[Prophet]

POSTED 8:58 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:40 a.m. EDT, August 23, 2006
VIKES THINK THEY CAN GET $1 MILLION FROM K-ROB
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

We've been focusing on the Term Sheet bonus forfeiture language in specific reference to the question of whether the Vikings can or will pursue the $1 million roster bonus paid earlier this year to receiver Koren Robinson.
A league source tells us that the language of the contract permits the team to recover 1/17th of the $1 million roster bonus for each week Robinson misses due to alcohol-related offenses or behavior, and that the team believes that the provision is enforceable.

But we've yet to obtain any information that would cause us to conclude that the Term Sheet permits forfeiture of signing or roster bonus money based on alcohol abuse or alcohol-related offenses.
Though other provisions of the Term Sheet specifically use the term "signing bonus" regarding the forfeiture issue, the portion of the document regarding drug and steroid-related forfeitures is more general.


In this regard, the Term Sheet "prohibits individually negotiated provisions for forfeiture relating to violations of the NFL Drug and Steroid Policies (which policies will address this issue)."
Although alcohol technically isn't a "drug," the NFL substance abuse policy expressly encompasses alcohol and alcohol-related offenses.

Bottom line?
We continue to astounded by the imprecision used by the league and the union in reducing to writing the non-economic terms of the CBA.
Since the key impediment to a final deal was the total money that would fund the salary cap moving forward, the lawyers had more than enough time to get the language of the Term Sheet right.
Now, amazingly, an arbitrator or a special master will eventually have to do that work for them.

[theman]

Koren is a bastard and needs to leave the Vikings right now before he becomes a Randy Moss.

[mr.woo]

randy moss was a good guy who very rarely got in trouble with the law and if he did it was minor. the media totally blew randys "stunts" out of porportion..

[DCPologirl]

"mr.woo" wrote:

randy moss was a good guy who very rarely got in trouble with the law and if he did it was minor. the media totally blew randys "stunts" out of porportion..

Ok I am the biggest Randy Moss fan there is but Randy got a dwi as well and ran over like a trash can or something!
Which means he could have killed somebody!

[Vikes]

I think the Vikings will have a shot at getting the money back. I don't see the NFLPA objecting to the fact the guy made a VERY poor choice. He was driving around 100+ and being chased while drunk. I would say if he blew a 0.09 I would be a little forgiving considering three - four years ago most DUI laws were 0.10. but to blow the number he did he was feeling good.

gol 'darnit you K-Rob gol 'darnit you!
(hehehe)
I really was thinking we got a steal.

[i_bleed_purple]

"DCPologirl" wrote:

"mr.woo" wrote:

randy moss was a good guy who very rarely got in trouble with the law and if he did it was minor. the media totally blew randys "stunts" out of porportion..

Ok I am the biggest Randy Moss fan there is but Randy got a dwi as well and ran over like a trash can or something!
Which means he could have killed somebody!

it was actually a traffic cop, but you were close

[COJOMAY]

Further evidence that Koren Robinson likely has little to no chance of returning to the Vikings was evidenced Wednesday at practice. Marcus Robinson, who had a "M" on his jersey from the time Koren arrived, didn't have the "M" on his jersey at practice -- a sign that there is only one Robinson left on the Vikings.