Kleinsasser likely to stay with Vikings

**JDogg926** · 03-28-2007, 09:07 AM

Is this Shiancoe guy really that good?
I had never heard of him before the Vikings signed him and now he's the starter.
I hope he's good, and he may be, I've just never heard of him.
But, he does have a cool name.

**Del Rio** · 03-28-2007, 09:12 AM

I guess he is a very good blocker.

Which is funny because for a self proclaimed WCO we seem to rely on the run an awful lot.

**Marrdro** · 03-28-2007, 09:16 AM

"whackthepack" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Kleinsasser, entering his ninth season, will compete with Jeff Dugan and Richard Owens for the Vikings' No. 2 tight end position behind new starter Visanthe Shiancoe. The Vikings kept four tight ends on their roster in 2006.

I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

What did I miss here?

Also, I believe Kleinsasser could/would get a heck of lot more money playing elsewhere.
Glad to see he is another one that wants to stay.

Again, another indicator for the B-chill haters out there who say that he is loosing the team.

NAYSAYERS.........

By the way, I am in a bad mood again today.
;D

;D

4 years ago he got a good contract from the Vikes and he isn't worth that amount of money!

His play is average at best, he isn't sure handed and he isn't a weapon, so I don't see how you think he would get more money than the Vikes are paying him.

There seems to be this misnomer that Kleiny is this great tight end and I am sorry but that just isn't true.
He is average at best, overpaid in my opinion and if he doesn't make the team I wouldn't be surprised.

You will never see me say anything to contradict that, however,......

A good blocking TE he is.
A threat to stretch the field his is not. Again, teams are willing to pay players that fit thier needs.

With that said, he would get more money elsewhere if he chose to leave.

**Del Rio** · 03-28-2007, 09:18 AM

"Marrdro" wrote:

"whackthepack" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Kleinsasser, entering his ninth season, will compete with Jeff Dugan and Richard Owens for the Vikings' No. 2 tight end position behind new starter Visanthe Shiancoe. The Vikings kept four tight ends on their roster in 2006.

I've seen it twice (newspaper article) and heard B-chill say it once (NFL Network) that Dugan was gonna be a FB.

What did I miss here?

Also, I believe Kleinsasser could/would get a heck of lot more money playing elsewhere.
Glad to see he is another one that wants to stay.

Again, another indicator for the B-chill haters out there who say that he is loosing the team.

NAYSAYERS.........

By the way, I am in a bad mood again today.
;D

;D

4 years ago he got a good contract from the Vikes and he isn't worth that amount of money!

His play is average at best, he isn't sure handed and he isn't a weapon, so I don't see how you think he would get more money than the Vikes are paying him.

There seems to be this misnomer that Kleiny is this great tight end and I am sorry but that just isn't true.
He is average at best, overpaid in my opinion and if he doesn't make the team I wouldn't be surprised.

You will never see me say anything to contradict that, however,......

A good blocking TE he is.
A threat to stretch the field his is not. Again, teams are willing to pay players that fit thier needs.

With that said, he would get more money elsewhere if he chose to leave.

I've always hated the move personally.

He is a weapon and a very solid player, but I feel he does his best work at FB and when they moved him to TE they damaged his ability to do what he does best.

Coaching failed him IMO.

**Billy Boy** · 03-28-2007, 09:24 AM

Very good summary of Cariuci here.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/story/2007/3/3/232824/0418

Unproven with potential is the best way to explain him.
His is known for blocking but that doesn't meen he lacks in other areas.

I hope his capability as a reciever threat lives up to potential.
I hate having one TE for blocking and another for routes.

I like our pickups so far.

**tke0933** · 03-28-2007, 09:26 AM

I also think he did his best work as the FB.
Since his injury
though, he seems to have lost a little more than just playing time.
Still, I would like to see him back.

**whackthepack** · 03-28-2007, 09:50 AM

Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions

47 yards receiving

0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)

5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years

I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.

**cajunvike** · 03-28-2007, 09:54 AM

"whackthepack" wrote:

Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions

47 yards receiving

0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)

5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years

I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.

How many blocks did he make though?

If it was based solely on receiving ability, we should've kept Wiggy then!

I do think that the Vikes need to reassess Kleiny's worth to the team as a whole though and make a decision on whether to keep spending that kind of money on him or not.

**snowinapril** · 03-28-2007, 10:10 AM

"tke0933" wrote:

I also think he did his best work as the FB.
Since his injury
though, he seems to have lost a little more than just playing time.
Still, I would like to see him back.

If he was used as a FB, not TE, he would be more valuable in the long run.
They should keep him at a reduced rate and have him follow T-Rich's example.
If he was given the chance, I know he could do a great job, providing he can stay off the IR.

Who's idea was it to move him to TE anyway?
I know he was drafted a TE, but in 2000 and 2001, we moved him to FB.
Why did we move him back to TE?

Stats
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4693/career

**Del Rio** · 03-28-2007, 10:13 AM

"whackthepack" wrote:

Here are some stats for Kleiny

2004 only played in 1 game

2005
(16 games)
22 receptions

171
yards receiving

0 TD's
0

rushing attempts

2006

(16 games)
7
receptions

47 yards receiving

0 TD's
0
rushing attempts

(3 of those receptions he fell down without being touched by an opposing player)

5
receiving TD's in 8 years and 4 of those came in 1 season
1
rushing TD
in 8 years

I am sorry but that is not worth paying somebody 3 million a year.

Which was about the time the genious known as Tice moved him to a TE.

His 4 TD's in one year? Did they come when he was a Fb or a Te?