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    Re: kicking issues

    "ltrey33" wrote:
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    If he could come in and beat out Bennett for the punting duties...AND handle the kickoffs, we would be set. Use Edinger strictly for FGs and let Lloyd do the rest. How is his leg strength on kickoffs? What about his punting average from college?

    He could be our new Mitch Berger (who we should have NEVER let go)!
    Amen to that Cajun! Our kicking game has been hurting in those areas ever since.

    Have you ever seen Lloyd kick? He is not our answer!!
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    Re: kicking issues

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "ltrey33" wrote:
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    If he could come in and beat out Bennett for the punting duties...AND handle the kickoffs, we would be set. Use Edinger strictly for FGs and let Lloyd do the rest. How is his leg strength on kickoffs? What about his punting average from college?

    He could be our new Mitch Berger (who we should have NEVER let go)!
    Amen to that Cajun! Our kicking game has been hurting in those areas ever since.

    Have you ever seen Lloyd kick? He is not our answer!!
    Yea, he takes a step to the right when he punts and it make it easier for teams to try and block his punts because he is slow from when he gets the ball to when he gets the punt off.
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    Re: kicking issues

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    Now that the Ravens have released Gopher Kicker Rhys Lloyd, should the vikes look at him as a possible punter? The guy knows the dome and could handle all 3 kicking duties in a pinch.

    NO, they guy drove me nuts when he was a Gopher and I would not want to see him in a Vikings Uni!

    I would look at which ever punter that San Diego cuts, either of those guys would be better than Bennett




    I was pretty sure that Mike Scifles was not going to get cut, and he was not (to bad for us the guy has a leg).

    But San D cut the other punter and I wish the Vikes would take a look at him. He is a rookie, but has a good leg and also kickoff if we need it.





    Brian Kent Claybourn
    Position: Punter/Kickoff Specialist/Holder
    College: Western Kentucky
    Height: 6-1
    Weight: 184
    Hometown: Evansville, Ind.

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    OVERVIEW
    Claybourn is a multi-talented specialist known for his long, towering punts. He is a very good holder for placements and field goals. Claybourn took over kickoff duties as a junior, displaying the leg strength that effected the opponent's field position in a game. In an emergency, he can also handle field goal and extra point attempts.

    Claybourn lettered three times in football and basketball at Reitz High School. He was named all-state, all-area, all-metro, all-conference and all-city as a punter his senior year, averaging 37 yards per kick with nine downed inside the 10-yard line. He was successful on 8-of-10 field goals and was 27-of-31 on extra-point attempts. The team finished 9-3 and was the Class 5A Sectional champion.

    Claybourn was voted all-metro and all-conference punter his junior season after averaging 37 yards per boot with a long kick of 59 yards. He was named the Panthers' Special Teams Player of the Year his last two seasons. He also earned four letters in soccer, picking up second-team all-state honors his last year. Claybourn was a fourth-team all-state selection in basketball as a senior, leading Reitz to the Southern Indiana Athletic Conference Tournament crown.

    Claybourn redshirted as a freshman for Western Kentucky in 2000. He took over punting chores in 2001, gaining 2,364 yards on 59 punts (40.1 avg.) with 19 attempts downed inside the 20-yard line to earn All-Gateway Conference second-team honors. He was an honorable mention All-Gateway choice in 2002, as he ranked third in the league with a 39.6-yard average on 67 punts. He also took over holding duties for field goals and placements that year.

    In 2003, Claybourn was an All-Gateway first-team pick. He punted 54 times for 2,224 yards (41.2 avg.) with 18 boots downed inside the 20-yard line. Only 32 of his kicks were returned. He also handled kickoff duties, with only 52 of his 89 tries returned. The 2004 season marked the second straight year that Claybourn would garner All-Gateway first-team and second-team Academic all-conference honors. He ranked fourth in the nation with 46 punts for 1,996 yards (43.4 avg.) while also ranking seventh in the Division I-AA ranks with a net yard average of 39.1 yards.

    In four seasons with the Hilltoppers, Claybourn punted 226 times for 9,237 yards (40.87 avg.), including 69 attempts downed inside the 20-yard line, with another 24 boots resulting in touchbacks and 19 others that were fair caught. Only Adam Lindsay (299, 1983-86) punted more times in school history. His 9,237 yards are surpassed only by Lindsay's 11,450 on the school's career-record list. Only 110 of his punts were returned, finishing with a 36.64-net yard average. His 40.87-yard punting average ranks second in school history behind Walt Herod (41.2 avg., 1973-76). Of his 157 kickoffs, 82 were returned by the opposition.


    ANALYSIS
    Positives: Has a tall, athletic frame with good muscle tone, long, tapered legs and natural hands … Gets good leg extension and shows soft hands to field the snap cleanly … Has shown marked improvement getting his punts off quicker and increased the height and trajectory on his punts, resulting in more than a 2-yard average increase in 2004 over the previous season … Gets good height on his kickoffs, displaying excellent leg strength to drive the ball through the end zone … Has the ability to pooch punt, showing a knack for having his kicks roll out along the corners … Tough, aggressive player who is never affected when kicking in poor weather … Has a right-footed two-step kicking style and is known for making the big kick in pressure situations … Is also a very effective tackler on the coverage units (caused and recovered a fumble on the kickoff team in 2003).
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    Re: kicking issues

    Lloyd kicks that way because of his background in Soccer and Rugby in England. He was strictly used in B-more to be a placekicker so I don't know if he abandonded puting altogether.

    But i don't know how you can say he was that bad a punter, in 2 seasons he only had 2 blocked punts and who's to say that was his kicking style or a blocking breakdown. Chances are his side style would be removed by the normal kicking if he went back to punting. if not i actuially liked the side step kick because it put a wacky spin on the ball, it forced returners to wait for the ball to land that gave the upmen a chance to make the play.

    I agree you don't need that many kickers on a roster. Im just saying if he could handle both punting and kick offs it would make Edingers job much easier.

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    Lloyd kicks that way because of his background in Soccer and Rugby in England. He was strictly used in B-more to be a placekicker so I don't know if he abandonded puting altogether.

    But i don't know how you can say he was that bad a punter, in 2 seasons he only had 2 blocked punts and who's to say that was his kicking style or a blocking breakdown. Chances are his side style would be removed by the normal kicking if he went back to punting. if not i actuially liked the side step kick because it put a wacky spin on the ball, it forced returners to wait for the ball to land that gave the upmen a chance to make the play.

    I agree you don't need that many kickers on a roster. Im just saying if he could handle both punting and kick offs it would make Edingers job much easier.

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    Re: kicking issues

    sorry about that, my computer coughed so i hit submit twice on accident.

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    Justin311 do you get many Gopher game's in Utah? I get them see them all, and as a Gopher fan I say I would not want him on the Vikes!

    He was media hype, and that is it! He sucks as a kicker and a punter and he was jsut OK on kickoffs!

    He should not be a Viking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The kid that I posted his stats on would be a hell of a lot better punter for the Vikes to look at!
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Edinger will do it all this year. Here is another article on our kickers.

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    http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/12508702.htm

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    http://www.hibbingmn.com/dailytribune/index.php?sect_rank=2&story_id=206965

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    I just moved to UT i lived in AZ before that and I saw the games that made it to ESPN. I agree the media loved him because of how he ended up on the team and his background. not to mention his punting style stood out so its what got the attention.

    You defenitely saw more games than i did, but even i sometimes think Viking and Gopher fans are too far into the forrest to see the trees. I just think he could be a valuable back up if either Bennett or Edinger got hurt, thats why i asked the question. I agree he shouldn't be a starter, i just think his ability to do all kicking duties could be a valuable asset if one of the starters is out for a brief period of time. They no longer need Elling, and if Bennett beats out Dorsch for the job, it would be a frugal personnel move to hire one guy as your back up for both roles should an injury oocur to either of them.

    But again neither position is truly that much hassle anyway. Should one of them go down they could just as easily pick a guy up during the season.

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    Re: kicking issues

    Saw all the Goph's games last year on college gameday package .... And by the way, Lloyd is a pretty good punter. Has good leg strength and can place the ball well in coffin corners .... Wouldn't have a chance against Edinger on FG's though ....

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