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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    Edwards Grips

    This guy is always whining about something. Look, I know you need to get payed, but don't give some bull about "needing to feed your family" and trying to "survive" because no ones buying it. Also, I don't have the link or exact quote, but earlier this year he was complaining that Goodell was just a pen pusher and he was making more than the players who were "out there risking their lives". Now I'm by no means a Goodell supporter (I hate him) but Edwards is out of line here. I would trade him right now for a 2nd or even 3rd rounder. I don't someone whos going to be whining about this stuff and acting like they are struggling, or even are deserving for a huge pay day, on the team. He's just really pissing me off. Below is a link to purple jesus diaries, just a funny article about edwards.

    PJD Edwards
    I don't think that Edwards is acting like a jackass at all. He is justifiable upset at the fact that he was forced into a RFA year instead of the expected UFA because the CBA expired. He hasn't been whining about being able to survive (those were just quotes from the article, not quotes form Edwards himself - AFIK he never said anything like that). The man is missing out on anywhere from $5 to $10 million dollars for this year. And considering how easy it is for a player to sustain a career impacting injury...

    I think we need more players like Edwards who are highlighting the fact that they got screwed. It will help get a CBA put in place for next year. He isn't mad at the Vikings - he is mad at the situation.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he sitting out of OTAs because of this?
    OTAs are still a month or so away ... so we would not know until then.

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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    DiehardVikesFan wrote:
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    12purplepride28 wrote:
    Edwards Grips

    This guy is always whining about something. Look, I know you need to get payed, but don't give some bull about "needing to feed your family" and trying to "survive" because no ones buying it. Also, I don't have the link or exact quote, but earlier this year he was complaining that Goodell was just a pen pusher and he was making more than the players who were "out there risking their lives". Now I'm by no means a Goodell supporter (I hate him) but Edwards is out of line here. I would trade him right now for a 2nd or even 3rd rounder. I don't someone whos going to be whining about this stuff and acting like they are struggling, or even are deserving for a huge pay day, on the team. He's just really pissing me off. Below is a link to purple jesus diaries, just a funny article about edwards.

    PJD Edwards
    I don't think that Edwards is acting like a jackass at all. He is justifiable upset at the fact that he was forced into a RFA year instead of the expected UFA because the CBA expired. He hasn't been whining about being able to survive (those were just quotes from the article, not quotes form Edwards himself - AFIK he never said anything like that). The man is missing out on anywhere from $5 to $10 million dollars for this year. And considering how easy it is for a player to sustain a career impacting injury...

    I think we need more players like Edwards who are highlighting the fact that they got screwed. It will help get a CBA put in place for next year. He isn't mad at the Vikings - he is mad at the situation.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he sitting out of OTAs because of this?
    OTAs are still a month or so away ... so we would not know until then.
    Hes skipping the offseason conditioning program and is threatening to skip OTAs
    I am NOT here to provide good football insight or rational observations. I am an emotional 19 year old Viking fan and I expect you to adjust your expectations from my posts.

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    Edwards IS a jackass. Not because he wants more money. Everybody wants more money. However, the fact he is using the excuse he has to feed his family. I make much less than 2.5 million and I am able to feed my family just fine.

    He is also a jackass because he is out of touch with the real world. He criticized Goodell for making more money than he does. Well that's the way most businesses operate. I hate Goodell but he is in fact, the Commissioner and Ray is in fact, a peon when it comes to the NFL. He is an average DE that benefits from having Jared Allen and Kevin Williams on the same line.

    Edwards is good at getting ot the run. He is also good at pressuring the QB. However I would like to see how he would do if you put a DE on the other side with his same skills. In other words put him on a team that doesn't have a Jared Allen and see how his sack total suffers.

    Sorry, Ray. I have no compassion for you. I don't blame you for doing what you're doing. Everyone should try to get all the money they can. However, opening your mouth when you are out of touch with reality is jackass behavior. STFU and enjoy the fact you get to play in the NFL.

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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    @NodakPaul. How am I taking it out of context? There is not context you can take it in that favors Edwards position without making him look like a JackASS. Do workers complain that the CEOs of companys make more than them (well recently.... lol), but everyone knows it is more important to have someone run the company then one individual worker. Thats all NFL players are, just workers. If he wants a big payday he should earn one, which imho he hasn't.
    It isn't whether or not he wants a big payday... the issue (at least for me) is that the NFL middle class is paying the price for the CBA expiring, and he has every right to be mad about it. There should be a lot more of the middle class players speaking up - it is rediculous that so few are being vocal about it.

    Whether you like Edwards or not, or what your opinion on his level of play is beside the point. You don't think he deserves a big payday - fine. But he isn't even getting the chance to test the market.
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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    Edwards IS a jackass. Not because he wants more money. Everybody wants more money. However, the fact he is using the excuse he has to feed his family. I make much less than 2.5 million and I am able to feed my family just fine.

    He is also a jackass because he is out of touch with the real world. He criticized Goodell for making more money than he does. Well that's the way most businesses operate. I hate Goodell but he is in fact, the Commissioner and Ray is in fact, a peon when it comes to the NFL. He is an average DE that benefits from having Jared Allen and Kevin Williams on the same line.

    Edwards is good at getting ot the run. He is also good at pressuring the QB. However I would like to see how he would do if you put a DE on the other side with his same skills. In other words put him on a team that doesn't have a Jared Allen and see how his sack total suffers.

    Sorry, Ray. I have no compassion for you. I don't blame you for doing what you're doing. Everyone should try to get all the money they can. However, opening your mouth when you are out of touch with reality is jackass behavior. STFU and enjoy the fact you get to play in the NFL.
    He didn't make the excuse that he has to feed his family. This is the exac quote:
    "It's frustrating because we play this game to take care of our family and we eventually are at the team's mercy of what they are going to do with us," Edwards said last weekend while in Garrison, Minn., for the Vikings Arctic Blast snowmobiling event.
    Nowhere was he implying that his kids were starving. He was saying that playing the game is his profession - and the expiration of the CBA took away his ability to play where he wanted for what he wanted.

    $2.5 million is a lot of money, but the opportunity cost is pretty high when you realize that he could have been making 3X that amount.

    I don't think he is out of touch with reality. I think he is one of the few players who is in touch with the reality of what the lack of a CBA is doing to the players who aren't superstars. Every single one of those players who are recieving 9 digit salaries should be as vocal and loud as Edwards.
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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    @NodakPaul. How am I taking it out of context? There is not context you can take it in that favors Edwards position without making him look like a JackASS. Do workers complain that the CEOs of companys make more than them (well recently.... lol), but everyone knows it is more important to have someone run the company then one individual worker. Thats all NFL players are, just workers. If he wants a big payday he should earn one, which imho he hasn't.
    It isn't whether or not he wants a big payday... the issue (at least for me) is that the NFL middle class is paying the price for the CBA expiring, and he has every right to be mad about it. There should be a lot more of the middle class players speaking up - it is rediculous that so few are being vocal about it.

    Whether you like Edwards or not, or what your opinion on his level of play is beside the point. You don't think he deserves a big payday - fine. But he isn't even getting the chance to test the market.
    I think it works both ways. Some portions of the CBA (or non-CBA) favors the owners (brass) and some favor the players. You have expiring contracts with Unions in every job. The players agree to this when they become an NFL player. It's whether they like it or not. If they don't, then go find work elsewhere.

    No matter how you slice it, the owners, regardless of what business you are in have the upper hand unless of course there is a Union agreement in place. I don't care that he wants more pay. That's his right. However, it doesn't excuse the route he is taking with his mouth.

    He can test the market all he wants. If he chooses to stay in the NFL then there are rules. He can l;ook at any other market of his choice if he doesn't like the rules of the NFL.

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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    @NodakPaul. How am I taking it out of context? There is not context you can take it in that favors Edwards position without making him look like a JackASS. Do workers complain that the CEOs of companys make more than them (well recently.... lol), but everyone knows it is more important to have someone run the company then one individual worker. Thats all NFL players are, just workers. If he wants a big payday he should earn one, which imho he hasn't.
    It isn't whether or not he wants a big payday... the issue (at least for me) is that the NFL middle class is paying the price for the CBA expiring, and he has every right to be mad about it. There should be a lot more of the middle class players speaking up - it is rediculous that so few are being vocal about it.

    Whether you like Edwards or not, or what your opinion on his level of play is beside the point. You don't think he deserves a big payday - fine. But he isn't even getting the chance to test the market.
    I think it works both ways. Some portions of the CBA (or non-CBA) favors the owners (brass) and some favor the players. You have expiring contracts with Unions in every job. The players agree to this when they become an NFL player. It's whether they like it or not. If they don't, then go find work elsewhere.

    No matter how you slice it, the owners, regardless of what business you are in have the upper hand unless of course there is a Union agreement in place. I don't care that he wants more pay. That's his right. However, it doesn't excuse the route he is taking with his mouth.

    He can test the market all he wants. If he chooses to stay in the NFL then there are rules. He can l;ook at any other market of his choice if he doesn't like the rules of the NFL.

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    @NodakPaul. How am I taking it out of context? There is not context you can take it in that favors Edwards position without making him look like a JackASS. Do workers complain that the CEOs of companys make more than them (well recently.... lol), but everyone knows it is more important to have someone run the company then one individual worker. Thats all NFL players are, just workers. If he wants a big payday he should earn one, which imho he hasn't.
    It isn't whether or not he wants a big payday... the issue (at least for me) is that the NFL middle class is paying the price for the CBA expiring, and he has every right to be mad about it. There should be a lot more of the middle class players speaking up - it is rediculous that so few are being vocal about it.

    Whether you like Edwards or not, or what your opinion on his level of play is beside the point. You don't think he deserves a big payday - fine. But he isn't even getting the chance to test the market.
    He has a "Right" to be "mad" about a labor agreement expiring?

    Are you serious?

    Ray Edwards is in the oh-so-sad-to-be-you situation where a labor agreement expired and negatively affected him. Boo hoo. As a result of this "tragedy", Ray is forced to spend ONE more year making less than the kazillions he MIGHT be "worth", and instead must try and scrap by on a mere 2.5 million dollars.

    My heart bleeds.

    Apparantly, there are a number of sad cases out there as well who will only make @ $500k this season...for playing a GAME...for playing TWENTY games (unless they make the play-offs...but there are incentive checks for those games too).

    But Ray has the "right" to be mad...

    At WHAT????

    The CBA expired. The NFL and NFLPA didn't agree on terms, and it lapsed. Happens all the time in business. Obviously, the two sides have to come to terms at some point. If not....lockout. How mad does Ray have the "right" to get then?

    Truth is, he doesn't.

    Ray Edwards is an employee. If he does not like the way in which the company is run, he can leave. Or, he can run for office with the NFLPA and try and change things from the inside.

    Or he can STFU and enjoy his 2.5 million dollars...

    I think you're going to have a tough time selling the sympathy aspect of this, because the truth is that too many Americans are out of work. Too many of us are suffering economic hardships - REAL economic hardships - the kind that 2.5 millions dollars would erase. So to have an overpaid athlete cry about how much he's NOT making....

    ...where is the justice?

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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    Edwards IS a jackass. Not because he wants more money. Everybody wants more money. However, the fact he is using the excuse he has to feed his family. I make much less than 2.5 million and I am able to feed my family just fine.

    He is also a jackass because he is out of touch with the real world. He criticized Goodell for making more money than he does. Well that's the way most businesses operate. I hate Goodell but he is in fact, the Commissioner and Ray is in fact, a peon when it comes to the NFL. He is an average DE that benefits from having Jared Allen and Kevin Williams on the same line.

    Edwards is good at getting ot the run. He is also good at pressuring the QB. However I would like to see how he would do if you put a DE on the other side with his same skills. In other words put him on a team that doesn't have a Jared Allen and see how his sack total suffers.

    Sorry, Ray. I have no compassion for you. I don't blame you for doing what you're doing. Everyone should try to get all the money they can. However, opening your mouth when you are out of touch with reality is jackass behavior. STFU and enjoy the fact you get to play in the NFL.
    He didn't make the excuse that he has to feed his family. This is the exac quote:
    "It's frustrating because we play this game to take care of our family and we eventually are at the team's mercy of what they are going to do with us," Edwards said last weekend while in Garrison, Minn., for the Vikings Arctic Blast snowmobiling event.
    Nowhere was he implying that his kids were starving. He was saying that playing the game is his profession - and the expiration of the CBA took away his ability to play where he wanted for what he wanted.

    $2.5 million is a lot of money, but the opportunity cost is pretty high when you realize that he could have been making 3X that amount.

    I don't think he is out of touch with reality. I think he is one of the few players who is in touch with the reality of what the lack of a CBA is doing to the players who aren't superstars. Every single one of those players who are recieving 9 digit salaries should be as vocal and loud as Edwards.
    Here is where I disagree. Every workplace has it's share of rules. If an employee doesn't like the rules he has every right to leave. He is out of touch with reality when he criticizes the Commissioner because he makes more money than he does. He is also out of touch with reality when he is complaining about the CBA or lack there of. Things happen in life that are not fair or not to your liking. We either tolerate them or change them. He signed up for the NFL that had a CBA with a contract that expired in 2010. Too bad!

    It is true people have the right to voice their displeasure. I don't have a problem with that. However, I don't believe Edwards realizes how things work in the world as evidenced by his aforementioned comment. He states they "...are at the team's mercy". Well aren't I at my employer's mercy? Aren't you at the mercy of your employer? It's all over, not just in the NFL.

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    Re:Is it just me or is Edwards a real jackass

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    ejmat wrote:
    Edwards IS a jackass. Not because he wants more money. Everybody wants more money. However, the fact he is using the excuse he has to feed his family. I make much less than 2.5 million and I am able to feed my family just fine.

    He is also a jackass because he is out of touch with the real world. He criticized Goodell for making more money than he does. Well that's the way most businesses operate. I hate Goodell but he is in fact, the Commissioner and Ray is in fact, a peon when it comes to the NFL. He is an average DE that benefits from having Jared Allen and Kevin Williams on the same line.

    Edwards is good at getting ot the run. He is also good at pressuring the QB. However I would like to see how he would do if you put a DE on the other side with his same skills. In other words put him on a team that doesn't have a Jared Allen and see how his sack total suffers.

    Sorry, Ray. I have no compassion for you. I don't blame you for doing what you're doing. Everyone should try to get all the money they can. However, opening your mouth when you are out of touch with reality is jackass behavior. STFU and enjoy the fact you get to play in the NFL.
    He didn't make the excuse that he has to feed his family. This is the exac quote:
    "It's frustrating because we play this game to take care of our family and we eventually are at the team's mercy of what they are going to do with us," Edwards said last weekend while in Garrison, Minn., for the Vikings Arctic Blast snowmobiling event.
    Nowhere was he implying that his kids were starving. He was saying that playing the game is his profession - and the expiration of the CBA took away his ability to play where he wanted for what he wanted.

    $2.5 million is a lot of money, but the opportunity cost is pretty high when you realize that he could have been making 3X that amount.

    I don't think he is out of touch with reality. I think he is one of the few players who is in touch with the reality of what the lack of a CBA is doing to the players who aren't superstars. Every single one of those players who are recieving 9 digit salaries should be as vocal and loud as Edwards.
    Here is where I disagree. Every workplace has it's share of rules. If an employee doesn't like the rules he has every right to leave. He is out of touch with reality when he criticizes the Commissioner because he makes more money than he does. He is also out of touch with reality when he is complaining about the CBA or lack there of. Things happen in life that are not fair or not to your liking. We either tolerate them or change them. He signed up for the NFL that had a CBA with a contract that expired in 2010. Too bad!

    It is true people have the right to voice their displeasure. I don't have a problem with that. However, I don't believe Edwards realizes how things work in the world as evidenced by his aforementioned comment. He states they "...are at the team's mercy". Well aren't I at my employer's mercy? Aren't you at the mercy of your employer? It's all over, not just in the NFL.
    You and I are not at the mercy of our employers - because unless you are in a very, very specialized field there are other comparable employment options for you out there. There are no other comparable options for Edwards. The CBA would have let him explore other teams - a lack of CBA means he can sign his tender or sit out for a year.

    Yes, that is part of what he signed up for, but that doesn't mean we should criticize him because he is vocal with his displeasure of how the NFLPA dropped the ball. The loss of the CBA benefited very few players while negatively affecting many. I personally don't think that the players who are being forced go through an extra year of restricted free agency should just "STFU and take their money" as another poster put it. They should be vocal. They should show their displeasure. They should put the pressure back on the NFLPA who tried to rally the NFL players using scare tactics, empty promises and veiled threats. That is part of enacting change.

    Here is another way to look at it. The average career for an NFL player is 3 1/2 years according to the NFLPA. If you are one of the players who manage to make it out of their rookie contract (which is a minority), then the average is 8 years. That means that Edwards and every other player who became an RFA when the CBA expired will be playing for a reduced salary for anywhere to 1/4 to 1/8 of his career. And while we think that $500k or $2.5 million is a lot of money - consider that that money usually has to last fifty to sixty years, and retired NFL players tend to have a lot of medical issues.

    Nobody is asking you to feel sorry for Edwards. I sure as hell don't. He chose this career, and he is rather successful by comparasion. But that doesn't mean that he is a Jackass just because he is upset about the CBA situation. We are here taking a couple of quotes (out of context - especially since he was answering direct questions about the CBA), and using them as fuel to attack his opinion. That, to me, is ridiculous.
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