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    Re: Its time for a change...

    "JDogg926" wrote:
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    It's easy for a fan to say what is a good play call and what is not a good play call. They see the play and see the result. If it works it must have been good, if it doesn't then it must have been bad. It doesn't work that way.

    I would really hate to think Childress and Co watch hours upon hours of opponent film, see the sets they run see tendencies, see openings, and then ignore those things during the game in order to call a bad play.

    The fact that we have virtually been in every game we have played weather it be a loss by one score or a win by one score is evidence enough to me that the plays are fine. When they run those plays well we win like we did in Seattle and when they run those plays poorly we lose like we did to NE.

    Being within 1 score is enough to say without one of those 3 STUPID penalties, without one of those turnovers, without one of those drops we COULD HAVE won. If your team is getting totally destroyed every game then yeah the plays may need a look, but that is not the case, and our defense cannot claim credit for everything. The defense has serious flaws especially in coverage.

    Del, I agree with the fact that they watch film and they see tendencies, etc, etc, etc, which maybe they saw something that GB was doing on 2nd and short, or saw something on film, where the safeties were cheating up, or something.
    Even so, in that position, given the way our long pass game has worked thus far this year, and needing simply one yard to keep alive the potential game winning drive, to call the long pass play, especially given the protection problems all day, was not the brightest move.


    Yes, we are a very flawed team, we can't seem to stop any decent team from passing on us all day, and our receivers all have questionable hands, some very stupid penalties, and our pass protection has been horrible.
    So, no the coaches didn't call a bad game overall (I mean we were in the game up until the end of the 4th quarter), but that's one call I bet they'd like to have back.
    I'm simply pointing out one play, in a critical situation, in which we should have ran the ball.
    I also think it's not the fact that we're over-conservative, it's just that we're conservative at the wrong times, and we gamble at the wrong times.
    For instance, against NE, the offensive series in which we had first and goal.
    With out O-line, and against a team as good as New England, who already has a lead, we should be trying to run it down their throats, establishing the line of scrimmage, and setting the precedence for the rest of the game.
    But, we decided to ignore the fact that we have a monster O-line built for just that, and try a pass, which we know how that turned out.


    I'm not trying to be negative or overly-critical, I'm just extremely frustrated, and I'm pointing out some things that do need corrected if we are going to improve upon the 4-5 record we currently own.
    Something I'd like to see just as much as anyone.
    I'm not targeting you specifically, and everyone is entitled to their opinions no doubt. It is easy to say what is good and what is bad after you see the result. That 2nd and short goes for 30 we aren't having this conversation.

    Yet we run the ball on 2nd and 1 and get stopped and then run on 3rd and 2 and get stopped Childress will be labeled predictable and a horrible play caller.

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    Re: Its time for a change...

    Next game will be the key. If Brad struggles, we have to pull him and get some new life in there.

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    Re: Its time for a change...

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    Next game will be the key. If Brad struggles, we have to pull him and get some new life in there.
    I differ, if u think about it we gotta go 6-1 to finish this thing off and get in the tournament. Last year we did it to late with culpepper and it took an injury. After that brad went 7-2 or something, good redord but not good enough. It's tavris this week or i throw in the towl for the season. No playoffs again.

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    Re: Its time for a change...

    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "JellyBean2144" wrote:
    Next game will be the key. If Brad struggles, we have to pull him and get some new life in there.
    I differ, if u think about it we gotta go 6-1 to finish this thing off and get in the tournament. Last year we did it to late with culpepper and it took an injury. After that brad went 7-2 or something, good redord but not good enough. It's tavris this week or i throw in the towl for the season. No playoffs again.
    First off ... why even bother calling it a tournament? It is clearly the Playoffs in the NFL ... just stick with that.
    Second ... if you think that six teams are going to win 10 games in the NFC I would like to see what schedules you are looking at. I mean sure if someone gets hot like the Skins last year it might be needed ... but 9-7 could be good enough to get one ... or two teams in.
    I don't think that 6-1 or 5-2 is completely out of the equation with Brad or T-Jack at the helm, but I don't think the SUPER BOWL IS AT ALL POSSIBLE WITH BJ ... probably not with T-Jack either, but if we are not going to the Bowl we ARE PLAYING FOR NEXT YEAR, no matter if we start in the second half of a blowout playoff loss in the wildcard round or if we start now ... so go with the kid and see what happens ... the best is better than what BJ offers and the worst is exactly the same ... no Super Bowl.

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    Re: Its time for a change...

    There is def something wrong.

    be it that we are just inches away from being a concrete team, or be it we are miles away from producing a playoff team.

    Our D is standing tall. they are giving up some plays, and giving up some points but not to the tune we have been for years now. 2 teams have put up more then 20 points. we are being kept in games by stopping the run, and forcing teams to air it on us.
    we are making teams 1 demionsal.. thing is we arn't always stopping it. though we do. they had a few 3 - outs. we stopped them from a few sure fire TD chances.

    in the end. it was 2 BIG penelties that stuck us. 2 mistakes that cost us
    7 points and possesion. M.m almost gave up a saftey by not catching first and moving second. if it was a saftey.. would everyone still be yelling for M.m to play more? Our backfield is there in the games. and are getting more receiving work then our receivers. why?

    are they not getting open? does Brad not read every play like he used to?
    and what was with that int? BethalJ was streeking.. stopped.. then starteed again? that's not brad's fault, but WTF??? switch sides with him and Twill if twill is being hawked by the GB secondary. go short routes.. keep to the run. i'm sure we'd of not had so many quick outs had we run a bit more, a few slant passes.. when's the last time u saw us run a screen?

    is this cause we are getting 2 much preasure? Brad has more turnovers then i think he has TD's!!


    in all of this.. what do we need to change.

    i'm like to see this.

    1. Keep the running game. it's getting more and more attention and we are still producing here.

    2. Change up receiver sets.. know brad's limitations and work inside them. try to get the TE's more involved, we've seen we are not the 1 hit TD team.

    3. start adding different routes.. we NEED to get our wr's open quick. if the O line is being beat we need the ball to go out fast.

    4. Work on gelling the O line. they are doing well 80% of the game. but are letting in those coverage sacks. now is this the fault of the O line?
    I remember when we had 4 and 1.. we went for it and the O line literaly pushed the D line back 2 yards.. C.t met the D line past the first down marker. why can't we manage like this?

    5. WTF penelties.. they are focusing on us.. understand that and keep out of those situations.

    6.ok i won't rant on the play calling, but maybe a revamp on how series are strung 2gether, and how we are using them in the middle - late part of the game.

    my 2 cents.

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    Re: Its time for a change...

    "JellyBean2144" wrote:
    Next game will be the key. If Brad struggles, we have to pull him and get some new life in there.

    Johnson or Childress? ;D


    Maybe Childress needs to reassign some of the position coaches to see if anybody else can show a receiver how to create separation from a DB and hold on to the friggen ball and explain to some certain linemen that the object of the game is for them to try to prevent the defense from getting to the QB,not let them by and then turn around to watch them hit the QB.

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