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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "Vikeman" wrote:
    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 43 - 78 - 13




















    28 - 73 - 6
    THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 32/98



































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    OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) 469 - 5.1































    411 - 4.9
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    168 - 2.9
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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
    The score only tell the outcome, the stats tell the story.
    The fact that we lead our oponents in nearly every offensive category tells me something about the makeup of this team.

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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Vikeman" wrote:
    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    107
    FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 43 - 78 - 13



















    28 - 73 - 6
    THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 32/98


































    30/90
    FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 5/7



































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    TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 2393






































    2031
    OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) 469 - 5.1






























    411 - 4.9
    TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 899








































    495
    RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 210 - 4.3






























    168 - 2.9
    TOTAL PASSING YARDS 1494







































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    PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 135 - 241 - 8 - 6.7

























    138 - 227 - 4 - 7.2
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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
    The score only tell the outcome, the stats tell the story.
    The fact that we lead our oponents in nearly every offensive category tells me something about the makeup of this team.
    stats without context are never really that telling.
    how many of our pass yards and first downs came in games like green bay, chicago, new orleans, detroit, and tennesse when we had to throw the whole 4th quarter?
    what team have we really outplayed offensively when looking at those stats besides detroit?
    in all our other games if we may have had more yards and such it was because of circumstance, not becuz we were actually playing better than the team.


    i understand looking at the bright side, but lets not skew our stats to make it look like we deserve a better record.
    we are who we thought we were.
    every team is trying to eliminate turnovers, st mistakes, and penalties.
    we can't keep using stuff as an excuse, cuz i believe despite poor play in games like indy, tennesse, chicago we either had the lead or started the 4th quarter within a score but found ways to lose.
    if we wanna make a run in the 2nd half towards the playoffs those few areas are a small part of the problem cuz alot of other problems have been just as bad, but you look at a box score and think its not that bad.
    we are not getting turnovers, not getting off the field on 3rd downs when we need to often enough, not picking up third downs often enough, still stink in the redzone, have to stop avoiding problems with squib kicks and fix your special teams coverage, clock management has to be smarter, and so on.

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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "ragz" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Vikeman" wrote:
    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 134










































    107
    FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 43 - 78 - 13




















    28 - 73 - 6
    THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 32/98



































    30/90
    FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 5/7




































    2/3
    TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 2393






































    2031
    OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) 469 - 5.1































    411 - 4.9
    TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 899








































    495
    RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 210 - 4.3






























    168 - 2.9
    TOTAL PASSING YARDS 1494








































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    PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 135 - 241 - 8 - 6.7


























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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
    The score only tell the outcome, the stats tell the story.
    The fact that we lead our oponents in nearly every offensive category tells me something about the makeup of this team.
    stats without context are never really that telling.
    how many of our pass yards and first downs came in games like green bay, chicago, new orleans, detroit, and tennesse when we had to throw the whole 4th quarter?
    what team have we really outplayed offensively when looking at those stats besides detroit?
    in all our other games if we may have had more yards and such it was because of circumstance, not becuz we were actually playing better than the team.


    i understand looking at the bright side, but lets not skew our stats to make it look like we deserve a better record.
    we are who we thought we were.
    every team is trying to eliminate turnovers, st mistakes, and penalties.
    we can't keep using stuff as an excuse, cuz i believe despite poor play in games like indy, tennesse, chicago we either had the lead or started the 4th quarter within a score but found ways to lose.
    if we wanna make a run in the 2nd half towards the playoffs those few areas are a small part of the problem cuz alot of other problems have been just as bad, but you look at a box score and think its not that bad.
    we are not getting turnovers, not getting off the field on 3rd downs when we need to often enough, not picking up third downs often enough, still stink in the redzone, have to stop avoiding problems with squib kicks and fix your special teams coverage, clock management has to be smarter, and so on.

    We outplayed Chicago, more yards, longer time of possesion, more completions...unfortunately we also led in interceptions.

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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "ragz" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Vikeman" wrote:
    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 134










































    107
    FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 43 - 78 - 13




















    28 - 73 - 6
    THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 32/98



































    30/90
    FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 5/7




































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    TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 2393






































    2031
    OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) 469 - 5.1































    411 - 4.9
    TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 899








































    495
    RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 210 - 4.3






























    168 - 2.9
    TOTAL PASSING YARDS 1494








































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    PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 135 - 241 - 8 - 6.7


























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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
    The score only tell the outcome, the stats tell the story.
    The fact that we lead our oponents in nearly every offensive category tells me something about the makeup of this team.
    stats without context are never really that telling.
    how many of our pass yards and first downs came in games like green bay, chicago, new orleans, detroit, and tennesse when we had to throw the whole 4th quarter?
    what team have we really outplayed offensively when looking at those stats besides detroit?
    in all our other games if we may have had more yards and such it was because of circumstance, not becuz we were actually playing better than the team.


    i understand looking at the bright side, but lets not skew our stats to make it look like we deserve a better record.
    we are who we thought we were.
    every team is trying to eliminate turnovers, st mistakes, and penalties.
    we can't keep using stuff as an excuse, cuz i believe despite poor play in games like indy, tennesse, chicago we either had the lead or started the 4th quarter within a score but found ways to lose.
    if we wanna make a run in the 2nd half towards the playoffs those few areas are a small part of the problem cuz alot of other problems have been just as bad, but you look at a box score and think its not that bad.
    we are not getting turnovers, not getting off the field on 3rd downs when we need to often enough, not picking up third downs often enough, still stink in the redzone, have to stop avoiding problems with squib kicks and fix your special teams coverage, clock management has to be smarter, and so on.

    I never said we deserve a better record, we deserve a 3-4 record because we won 3 games and lost 4. I didn't skew any of the stats, they are the stats. Obviously every team faces different circumstances and stats don't tell the entire story, but they are a valuable tool in evaluating a football team.
    You are the one who wants to change the stats because of circumstances, every game has different circumstances that change the stats, but the stats are still the stats(just like the record is still the record despite circumstances). As the title says, interesting stats, draw your own conclusion, that's exactly what I did. If you have stats that you think are more relevant or draw a different conclussion from these stats please share them.

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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    The stat that has always worried me the most since Childress took over has been converting on third down.....

    2006

    77/233
    33%
    NFL rank 28
    2007

    69/200
    34%
    NFL rank 27
    2008

    32/98

    33%
    NFL rank 27

    OK in 2005 we ranked 30th with 33% but in 2004 we led the NFL with over 52%, I guess what I'm trying to say is when this stat is poor, no playoffs, when this stat is high we beat the Pukers at Lambeau.
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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "ragz" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Vikeman" wrote:
    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    Opponents
    TOTAL FIRST DOWNS 134









































    107
    FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 43 - 78 - 13



















    28 - 73 - 6
    THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 32/98


































    30/90
    FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 5/7



































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    TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 2393






































    2031
    OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) 469 - 5.1






























    411 - 4.9
    TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 899








































    495
    RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 210 - 4.3






























    168 - 2.9
    TOTAL PASSING YARDS 1494







































    1536
    PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 135 - 241 - 8 - 6.7

























    138 - 227 - 4 - 7.2
    SACKS 16





















































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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
    The score only tell the outcome, the stats tell the story.
    The fact that we lead our oponents in nearly every offensive category tells me something about the makeup of this team.
    stats without context are never really that telling.
    how many of our pass yards and first downs came in games like green bay, chicago, new orleans, detroit, and tennesse when we had to throw the whole 4th quarter?
    what team have we really outplayed offensively when looking at those stats besides detroit?
    in all our other games if we may have had more yards and such it was because of circumstance, not becuz we were actually playing better than the team.


    i understand looking at the bright side, but lets not skew our stats to make it look like we deserve a better record.
    we are who we thought we were.
    every team is trying to eliminate turnovers, st mistakes, and penalties.
    we can't keep using stuff as an excuse, cuz i believe despite poor play in games like indy, tennesse, chicago we either had the lead or started the 4th quarter within a score but found ways to lose.
    if we wanna make a run in the 2nd half towards the playoffs those few areas are a small part of the problem cuz alot of other problems have been just as bad, but you look at a box score and think its not that bad.
    we are not getting turnovers, not getting off the field on 3rd downs when we need to often enough, not picking up third downs often enough, still stink in the redzone, have to stop avoiding problems with squib kicks and fix your special teams coverage, clock management has to be smarter, and so on.

    I never said we deserve a better record, we deserve a 3-4 record because we won 3 games and lost 4. I didn't skew any of the stats, they are the stats. Obviously every team faces different circumstances and stats don't tell the entire story, but they are a valuable tool in evaluating a football team.
    You are the one who wants to change the stats because of circumstances, every game has different circumstances that change the stats, but the stats are still the stats(just like the record is still the record despite circumstances). As the title says, interesting stats, draw your own conclusion, that's exactly what I did. If you have stats that you think are more relevant or draw a different conclussion from these stats please share them.
    not skew in the sense of making them something different, but in the sense that they dont tell the story.
    i wonder how many games tennesse has actually lead yardage wise week in and week out.
    i could look but i'm tired.
    i'm just saying, i'm sure they are not lighting up the box score and they are 7-0.
    in other words these stats dont really tell us a whole lot.
    the 3rd down coversion stat just posted tells us something.
    our pass defense rank probably tells us something, our completion perc, our lack of first half scoring, our special teams rank, and on and on.
    if by interesting you mean deceiving you made your point.
    but it doesn't show that we are outplaying teams cuz we aren't.
    thats my conclusion.

    and in response to the other post, we didnt outplay chicago, they just didnt have to go out on the field as much cuz they got special teams tds.
    but it wasn't like we had any answers for orten and their tes.
    it was much like the saint game, we didn't really stop them from moving, but i bet the stats were comparable offensively cuz they didn't have to go out on the field twice cuz of td returns.
    actually i still think we got outgained in that game anyway.
    same with green bay, probably similar stats but who was efficient and who made the big plays when they needed it.
    again, stats that are totally deceiving.
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    Re: Interesting Stats - Draw Your Own Conclusions

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "Vikeman" wrote:
    "thorshammer" wrote:
    On paper we're not that far from winning more games. Eliminate the turnovers and a couple ST mistakes and it can be a very different story.

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    107
    FIRST DOWNS (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 43 - 78 - 13




















    28 - 73 - 6
    THIRD DOWN CONVERSIONS 32/98



































    30/90
    FOURTH DOWN CONVERSIONS 5/7




































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    TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS 2393






































    2031
    OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) 469 - 5.1































    411 - 4.9
    TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 899








































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    RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 210 - 4.3






























    168 - 2.9
    TOTAL PASSING YARDS 1494








































    1536
    PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 135 - 241 - 8 - 6.7


























    138 - 227 - 4 - 7.2
    SACKS 16






















































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    28:05
    With all due respect--the only stat that actually matters is the final score--and they have been on the short end more than not with this coach.
    The score only tell the outcome, the stats tell the story.
    The fact that we lead our oponents in nearly every offensive category tells me something about the makeup of this team.
    The '98 Vikes "O" broke many records--the 2007 Pats then broke all those records.
    Neither team won it all.
    The 2000 Ravens went six consecutive games W/O scoring an offensive TD--and they won a SB.
    I do believe this Viking team COULD be special, but I highly doubt the current head coach will ever pan out with any NFL team as a head coach.
    This offense is dead last where it really counts--in the "red zone."
    A good friend will help you move...a best friend will help you move a body.

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    Hopefully those stats head north this week.

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