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    Re: Interesting Questions And Answers

    "tastywaves" wrote:
    I agree with a lot of your assessment of team needs, just trying to get a better feel of how players are really being valued and selected.
    McNabb for instance, if Childress really wants this guy and Spielman or Rob are concerned with the price it will take to get him, what thought process wins out.
    Due they need go for majority vote, due different people have a stronger say....
    My understanding of who would win is predicated on a couple articles like this that have quotes that allude to the disagreement between decisions that were made by Foley during the 2006 draft.

    http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/....shtml?cat=206

    Tales of shouting matches involving the head-strong Foley circulated through the Vikings' Winter Park headquarters, and one of Spielman's main tasks was to unite the coaches, scouts and personnel department.
    Just the term of his tasks was to unite.
    That means to me he has a say over the HC and Scouting staff.

    Both Studwell and Childress remarked this week that they feel more included in the process.

    "I think from my standpoint and from all of our standpoints, it's about being heard," Childress said. "Everybody has a voice, and it's not about being right. It's about having an opinion and declaring yourself and how you see it in your eyes. It's not about being right; it's about getting it right."
    Again, they feel included in the process means to me that under Foley the process was his and he either chose to or not to listen to the other 2 legs of the triad.

    Second thing I look at on who has the say in things like this is the way they are structured....

    Spielmen falls under the Executive Staff along with Rob Brzezinski.
    I think those two would have a higher vote than the coach when it came to decisions like that even though the Chiller and scouting staff would have a say.

    http://www.vikings.com/TeamFrontOffice.aspx

    Long story short, I believe that Spielmen will be the one that briefs the overall plan to the owner, to include what players they have all agreed will fit thier needs.
    If for some reason the Coach and Spielman disagreed I believe the ownership would make the call.
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    Re: Interesting Questions And Answers

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    If big salary players don't get signed and the owners say they are willing to pay whatever it takes, then it implies that Childress, Spielman,... don't feel the big salary guys are worth signing.
    Or possibly they have a hard time getting them to come to MN, which shows up when you see them appearing to overpay for players.
    We ended up considerably under our cap last year, money wasn't the limitation for us in signing players, it was the feeling that the players available weren't worth the price or weren't a good fit.


    The question I would have is who from the Vikings org determines what a player is worth?
    Does Brad, Rick and crew just say, he's a guy we want go get him (as it appeared with Hutch).
    Or does Rob and gang come back and say it will cost us roughly $X to get this guy, leaving us with $X to spend.
    We have a budget of $X to spend on draft signees leaving us with $X to spend on FA and we want to leave a margin of $X for other needs that may come up.
    Just wondering how the signing cost of a player rolls into Brad and Rick when looking at trying to put the best team possible on the field.
    If I'm the coach,
    I would use whatever influence I have to bring in players that I think will have the best chances of improving my team (whether FA, draft, or anywhere else).
    And Brad may very well suggest we bring in a number of players that never make the team due to a myriad of other reasons.

    If you take DE for example and decide Suggs is a guy you want to go after.
    Do you look at his position and decide okay he's the 7th best DE in the NFL, numbers 6 and 8 are making $5M and $4M a year respectively, so we should be able to get him for something in between that.
    However, Suggs boys come back and say most of the contracts were done 3-4 years ago and they are on the last few years of their contract.
    If you look at recent signings of DE's such as Kerney getting $40M over 6 years, he feels he should be getting closer to $6M a year.
    On top of that, some other team with a great weakness at DE comes in and offers him $6.2M.
    To a lot of people, if you bring him in at this price, it would be considered overpaying based on the rest of the DE's in the league and his perceived value.
    But reality is, if you want a proven commodity this is what it will cost.
    Who makes that decision whether he is worth it?

    If the team continues to operate significantly under the cap, it doesn't show me that the org is doing what they can to put the best team on the field thats possible.
    I am not looking to be impressed by how frugal this org runs, I want to know that they are doing everything they can do build a SuperBowl caliber team.
    If I want to admire frugality in pro sports, I'll look to the Twins.
    Now you are getting into my wheelhouse my friend.

    I told Z in a PM that I need to do a thread on how some of this stuff works (at least the way I understand it) based on some books I have read, what I know of this organizations structure and what we have been told by them via the press and during news conferences.

    The teams GM (in our case I believe that equates to Spielman, Studwell/Patton (Scouting staff), Coaching staff headed up by Childress) with support from Budget headed up by Bryzcheapski, Medical, PR etc etc will all have several meetings over the next few weeks to determine were they are with regard to talent, what they need and what is the best solution to that need (i.e. Vet/Draft/Continue to Develop what they have).

    At some point, the Executive Staff headed by Spielman and supported by the HC and Scouting staff leads (Studwell/Patton) will brief thier plan of attack to the Ownership group who will either bless it or have them make small changes/approaches.

    Depending on the Owners role in the decision making process he might even attend some of the pre-decision meetings if he wants.

    You must remember that teams just don't target one guy for a position of need.
    The scouting department/front office type pukes will already know who is gonna be available, what teams are interested and how interested they will be.
    Based on that they will target a primary, secondary and probably a tertiary player to fit thier needs.

    Based off of all those meetings team needs, players available and thier worth will be determined.

    During some of those pre-decision meetings they will do thier homework and figure out a base of what a players worth will be using the following type of template/process....

    Again, it is usually the GM who governs/decides the value of players based on the following criteria:

    a.
    Talent (scouting staff gives talent evaluations)
    b.
    Age (Medical staff will have a play here)
    c.
    Number of players in the market that are of or equal to his talent level.
    d.
    Funds avail to all players in the market.
    e.
    Team needs. (Based on coaches end of year evaluations)

    Take Randy Moss for instance.

    a.
    He is by far the most talented WR in the FA market. (Value will go way up here)
    b.
    He is a bit old but still can show the wheels (value will go down a bit here).
    Won't be able to spread the contract out.
    c.
    There aren't many good FA vets in the market this year.
    d.
    There are alot of teams with lots of CAP to spend.
    e.
    Can the team get by with what they have, or can they get a guy in the draft, or are there other low level players out there cheaper.

    Value of Randy Moss will be huge, much more than say the value of a Jackett.
    But when you look at a Hackett, you can get him at a lower price because.....

    a.
    He is talented but not the best out there.
    b.
    His age won't be a factor.
    Can spread a contract out over several years.
    c.
    There are a few out there of his talent level.
    d.
    There will still be alot of teams out there via for his services.
    e.
    Team need remains the same.

    Now you have to look at what are the teams needs.

    Is WR the only position holding you from making it to the next level or do you need another piece/part.

    In this case, lets assume a team that needs a WR also needs a DE.
    The front office guys will do pretty much the same thing running down the DE positions.


    Based on what they have to spend the will probably elect to go with 2 lower level players that are within thier budget instead of going after just one.

    Of course they could also take into account the draft propsects.
    If there was a great class of DE's in the upcoming draft with a guy who was a sure thing/instant impact guy then they could look to only going after the WR and drafting a DE.

    Bottom line up front, the guy in charge of bringing in/satisfying the team needs is IMHO Rick Spielmen based on what I know of how they are structured.

    Hope that helps.
    I know it rambles a bit, for that I apologize.
    It is a very interesting process if you ever want to dig into it.
    Send me a PM and will get you some titles of books I have read that might help.
    You really have been digging into this, good insight.

    If Brad feels that McNabb is a key component for the Vikings to move forward in '08, how much influence do you think he has in the Vikings org to make it happen.
    Do you think Spielman would trump him if he felt the talent wasn't a good fit for the team?

    Or, is the more likely scenario that Brad goes to Rick and says hey, I'm concerned whether TJ can be our starter next year and I would like to see us bring somebody else in who can compete for the job.
    From there, Rick and team goes out and surveys the market and says here is what I see as potential candidates.
    Gain agreement from all to narrow the list down and then explore what it will take to make them Vikings.
    Once agreement is made on say 3 candidates, the next round begins where everyone provides their inputs as to how they will contribute to the team and Brad probably gets more involved in a final decision to make sure he is comfortable with that player.
    That is, Brad is perhaps more back loaded in the selection process and has more veto power than selection power?


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    Re: Interesting Questions And Answers

    "tastywaves" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    If big salary players don't get signed and the owners say they are willing to pay whatever it takes, then it implies that Childress, Spielman,... don't feel the big salary guys are worth signing.
    Or possibly they have a hard time getting them to come to MN, which shows up when you see them appearing to overpay for players.
    We ended up considerably under our cap last year, money wasn't the limitation for us in signing players, it was the feeling that the players available weren't worth the price or weren't a good fit.


    The question I would have is who from the Vikings org determines what a player is worth?
    Does Brad, Rick and crew just say, he's a guy we want go get him (as it appeared with Hutch).
    Or does Rob and gang come back and say it will cost us roughly $X to get this guy, leaving us with $X to spend.
    We have a budget of $X to spend on draft signees leaving us with $X to spend on FA and we want to leave a margin of $X for other needs that may come up.
    Just wondering how the signing cost of a player rolls into Brad and Rick when looking at trying to put the best team possible on the field.
    If I'm the coach,
    I would use whatever influence I have to bring in players that I think will have the best chances of improving my team (whether FA, draft, or anywhere else).
    And Brad may very well suggest we bring in a number of players that never make the team due to a myriad of other reasons.

    If you take DE for example and decide Suggs is a guy you want to go after.
    Do you look at his position and decide okay he's the 7th best DE in the NFL, numbers 6 and 8 are making $5M and $4M a year respectively, so we should be able to get him for something in between that.
    However, Suggs boys come back and say most of the contracts were done 3-4 years ago and they are on the last few years of their contract.
    If you look at recent signings of DE's such as Kerney getting $40M over 6 years, he feels he should be getting closer to $6M a year.
    On top of that, some other team with a great weakness at DE comes in and offers him $6.2M.
    To a lot of people, if you bring him in at this price, it would be considered overpaying based on the rest of the DE's in the league and his perceived value.
    But reality is, if you want a proven commodity this is what it will cost.
    Who makes that decision whether he is worth it?

    If the team continues to operate significantly under the cap, it doesn't show me that the org is doing what they can to put the best team on the field thats possible.
    I am not looking to be impressed by how frugal this org runs, I want to know that they are doing everything they can do build a SuperBowl caliber team.
    If I want to admire frugality in pro sports, I'll look to the Twins.
    Now you are getting into my wheelhouse my friend.

    I told Z in a PM that I need to do a thread on how some of this stuff works (at least the way I understand it) based on some books I have read, what I know of this organizations structure and what we have been told by them via the press and during news conferences.

    The teams GM (in our case I believe that equates to Spielman, Studwell/Patton (Scouting staff), Coaching staff headed up by Childress) with support from Budget headed up by Bryzcheapski, Medical, PR etc etc will all have several meetings over the next few weeks to determine were they are with regard to talent, what they need and what is the best solution to that need (i.e. Vet/Draft/Continue to Develop what they have).

    At some point, the Executive Staff headed by Spielman and supported by the HC and Scouting staff leads (Studwell/Patton) will brief thier plan of attack to the Ownership group who will either bless it or have them make small changes/approaches.

    Depending on the Owners role in the decision making process he might even attend some of the pre-decision meetings if he wants.

    You must remember that teams just don't target one guy for a position of need.
    The scouting department/front office type pukes will already know who is gonna be available, what teams are interested and how interested they will be.
    Based on that they will target a primary, secondary and probably a tertiary player to fit thier needs.

    Based off of all those meetings team needs, players available and thier worth will be determined.

    During some of those pre-decision meetings they will do thier homework and figure out a base of what a players worth will be using the following type of template/process....

    Again, it is usually the GM who governs/decides the value of players based on the following criteria:

    a.
    Talent (scouting staff gives talent evaluations)
    b.
    Age (Medical staff will have a play here)
    c.
    Number of players in the market that are of or equal to his talent level.
    d.
    Funds avail to all players in the market.
    e.
    Team needs. (Based on coaches end of year evaluations)

    Take Randy Moss for instance.

    a.
    He is by far the most talented WR in the FA market. (Value will go way up here)
    b.
    He is a bit old but still can show the wheels (value will go down a bit here).
    Won't be able to spread the contract out.
    c.
    There aren't many good FA vets in the market this year.
    d.
    There are alot of teams with lots of CAP to spend.
    e.
    Can the team get by with what they have, or can they get a guy in the draft, or are there other low level players out there cheaper.

    Value of Randy Moss will be huge, much more than say the value of a Jackett.
    But when you look at a Hackett, you can get him at a lower price because.....

    a.
    He is talented but not the best out there.
    b.
    His age won't be a factor.
    Can spread a contract out over several years.
    c.
    There are a few out there of his talent level.
    d.
    There will still be alot of teams out there via for his services.
    e.
    Team need remains the same.

    Now you have to look at what are the teams needs.

    Is WR the only position holding you from making it to the next level or do you need another piece/part.

    In this case, lets assume a team that needs a WR also needs a DE.
    The front office guys will do pretty much the same thing running down the DE positions.


    Based on what they have to spend the will probably elect to go with 2 lower level players that are within thier budget instead of going after just one.

    Of course they could also take into account the draft propsects.
    If there was a great class of DE's in the upcoming draft with a guy who was a sure thing/instant impact guy then they could look to only going after the WR and drafting a DE.

    Bottom line up front, the guy in charge of bringing in/satisfying the team needs is IMHO Rick Spielmen based on what I know of how they are structured.

    Hope that helps.
    I know it rambles a bit, for that I apologize.
    It is a very interesting process if you ever want to dig into it.
    Send me a PM and will get you some titles of books I have read that might help.
    You really have been digging into this, good insight.

    If Brad feels that McNabb is a key component for the Vikings to move forward in '08, how much influence do you think he has in the Vikings org to make it happen.
    Do you think Spielman would trump him if he felt the talent wasn't a good fit for the team?

    Or, is the more likely scenario that Brad goes to Rick and says hey, I'm concerned whether TJ can be our starter next year and I would like to see us bring somebody else in who can compete for the job.
    From there, Rick and team goes out and surveys the market and says here is what I see as potential candidates.
    Gain agreement from all to narrow the list down and then explore what it will take to make them Vikings.
    Once agreement is made on say 3 candidates, the next round begins where everyone provides their inputs as to how they will contribute to the team and Brad probably gets more involved in a final decision to make sure he is comfortable with that player.
    That is, Brad is perhaps more back loaded in the selection process and has more veto power than selection power?
    I love all aspects of the game to include the stuff that goes into putting the team on the field.
    You should see my house during the draft.
    I live for this pooh.

    ;D

    I believe we had an article on here a few days ago that had a quote in it from the Chiller were he said they (the coaches) were gonna doing thier player evaluations.
    Those evaluations will be what the coaches feel they have at every position.


    Those evaluations will include things like depth concerns, starter concerns, injury concerns, lack of talent concerns.

    Those will be briefed to Spielman and crew and then the next step takes over.

    You must keep something in the back of your mind that the evaluation process and the identification of players that can solve that need is a pretty short turn around because during the course of the year the two scouting staffs have been hard a work evaluating talent for all positions.

    I am pretty sure you are right on track (bolded area) with how it will work based on our structure remembering of course our scouts have been working all year in an effort to have a list of players that could fit team needs.

    What comes into play will be things like cost, public perception of move to be made, does it meet long term goals or provide a short term fix etc etc.
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    Re: Interesting Questions And Answers

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    "tastywaves" wrote:
    If big salary players don't get signed and the owners say they are willing to pay whatever it takes, then it implies that Childress, Spielman,... don't feel the big salary guys are worth signing.
    Or possibly they have a hard time getting them to come to MN, which shows up when you see them appearing to overpay for players.
    We ended up considerably under our cap last year, money wasn't the limitation for us in signing players, it was the feeling that the players available weren't worth the price or weren't a good fit.


    The question I would have is who from the Vikings org determines what a player is worth?
    Does Brad, Rick and crew just say, he's a guy we want go get him (as it appeared with Hutch).
    Or does Rob and gang come back and say it will cost us roughly $X to get this guy, leaving us with $X to spend.
    We have a budget of $X to spend on draft signees leaving us with $X to spend on FA and we want to leave a margin of $X for other needs that may come up.
    Just wondering how the signing cost of a player rolls into Brad and Rick when looking at trying to put the best team possible on the field.
    If I'm the coach,
    I would use whatever influence I have to bring in players that I think will have the best chances of improving my team (whether FA, draft, or anywhere else).
    And Brad may very well suggest we bring in a number of players that never make the team due to a myriad of other reasons.

    If you take DE for example and decide Suggs is a guy you want to go after.
    Do you look at his position and decide okay he's the 7th best DE in the NFL, numbers 6 and 8 are making $5M and $4M a year respectively, so we should be able to get him for something in between that.
    However, Suggs boys come back and say most of the contracts were done 3-4 years ago and they are on the last few years of their contract.
    If you look at recent signings of DE's such as Kerney getting $40M over 6 years, he feels he should be getting closer to $6M a year.
    On top of that, some other team with a great weakness at DE comes in and offers him $6.2M.
    To a lot of people, if you bring him in at this price, it would be considered overpaying based on the rest of the DE's in the league and his perceived value.
    But reality is, if you want a proven commodity this is what it will cost.
    Who makes that decision whether he is worth it?

    If the team continues to operate significantly under the cap, it doesn't show me that the org is doing what they can to put the best team on the field thats possible.
    I am not looking to be impressed by how frugal this org runs, I want to know that they are doing everything they can do build a SuperBowl caliber team.
    If I want to admire frugality in pro sports, I'll look to the Twins.
    Now you are getting into my wheelhouse my friend.

    I told Z in a PM that I need to do a thread on how some of this stuff works (at least the way I understand it) based on some books I have read, what I know of this organizations structure and what we have been told by them via the press and during news conferences.

    The teams GM (in our case I believe that equates to Spielman, Studwell/Patton (Scouting staff), Coaching staff headed up by Childress) with support from Budget headed up by Bryzcheapski, Medical, PR etc etc will all have several meetings over the next few weeks to determine were they are with regard to talent, what they need and what is the best solution to that need (i.e. Vet/Draft/Continue to Develop what they have).

    At some point, the Executive Staff headed by Spielman and supported by the HC and Scouting staff leads (Studwell/Patton) will brief thier plan of attack to the Ownership group who will either bless it or have them make small changes/approaches.

    Depending on the Owners role in the decision making process he might even attend some of the pre-decision meetings if he wants.

    You must remember that teams just don't target one guy for a position of need.
    The scouting department/front office type pukes will already know who is gonna be available, what teams are interested and how interested they will be.
    Based on that they will target a primary, secondary and probably a tertiary player to fit thier needs.

    Based off of all those meetings team needs, players available and thier worth will be determined.

    During some of those pre-decision meetings they will do thier homework and figure out a base of what a players worth will be using the following type of template/process....

    Again, it is usually the GM who governs/decides the value of players based on the following criteria:

    a.
    Talent (scouting staff gives talent evaluations)
    b.
    Age (Medical staff will have a play here)
    c.
    Number of players in the market that are of or equal to his talent level.
    d.
    Funds avail to all players in the market.
    e.
    Team needs. (Based on coaches end of year evaluations)

    Take Randy Moss for instance.

    a.
    He is by far the most talented WR in the FA market. (Value will go way up here)
    b.
    He is a bit old but still can show the wheels (value will go down a bit here).
    Won't be able to spread the contract out.
    c.
    There aren't many good FA vets in the market this year.
    d.
    There are alot of teams with lots of CAP to spend.
    e.
    Can the team get by with what they have, or can they get a guy in the draft, or are there other low level players out there cheaper.

    Value of Randy Moss will be huge, much more than say the value of a Jackett.
    But when you look at a Hackett, you can get him at a lower price because.....

    a.
    He is talented but not the best out there.
    b.
    His age won't be a factor.
    Can spread a contract out over several years.
    c.
    There are a few out there of his talent level.
    d.
    There will still be alot of teams out there via for his services.
    e.
    Team need remains the same.

    Now you have to look at what are the teams needs.

    Is WR the only position holding you from making it to the next level or do you need another piece/part.

    In this case, lets assume a team that needs a WR also needs a DE.
    The front office guys will do pretty much the same thing running down the DE positions.


    Based on what they have to spend the will probably elect to go with 2 lower level players that are within thier budget instead of going after just one.

    Of course they could also take into account the draft propsects.
    If there was a great class of DE's in the upcoming draft with a guy who was a sure thing/instant impact guy then they could look to only going after the WR and drafting a DE.

    Bottom line up front, the guy in charge of bringing in/satisfying the team needs is IMHO Rick Spielmen based on what I know of how they are structured.

    Hope that helps.
    I know it rambles a bit, for that I apologize.
    It is a very interesting process if you ever want to dig into it.
    Send me a PM and will get you some titles of books I have read that might help.
    [/quote
    Great read my friend. I would dive into those books, but with a four and five year old, Bob (learning how to read) books are the ones at hand. I think I'll just let your mind do the walking for me. ;D I'll just read the posts that you put up and piece the whole puzzle together on off days. Once again, thanks to all that post with all the education towards this interesting subject.

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    Re: Interesting Questions And Answers

    "tastywaves" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Very nice read my friend. Thanks.....

    One item of interest.

    akvikesfan: Can you clarify exactly what Childress and Zygi Wilf have stated as far as off season spending goes? A lot of people are throwing around a lot of different statements from not spending a dime to wanting to max out this year’s cap limit.

    KS: My understanding is that the Wilfs are prepared to spend whatever Childress and Rick Spielman ask them to spend. They have made this clear on multiple occasions. Part of that sentiment, however, is based on Spielman’s stated desire to build through the draft and supplement through free agency. In other words, the Wilfs know Spielman probably isn’t going to ask them to sign another team’s franchise player, for instance.

    This offseason, I would expect another year of signing complementary players on the free agent market and then pursuing core players in the draft.
    I know I beat this to death, but are people really that missinformed as to what everyones role is on a NFL staff?

    Does anyone really believe that the Chiller sets the spending limits with the owner?

    Jeeezzz Luizzzzeee

    At least the author seems to understand everyones role.......
    If big salary players don't get signed and the owners say they are willing to pay whatever it takes, then it implies that Childress, Spielman,... don't feel the big salary guys are worth signing.
    Or possibly they have a hard time getting them to come to MN, which shows up when you see them appearing to overpay for players.
    We ended up considerably under our cap last year, money wasn't the limitation for us in signing players, it was the feeling that the players available weren't worth the price or weren't a good fit.


    The question I would have is who from the Vikings org determines what a player is worth?
    Does Brad, Rick and crew just say, he's a guy we want go get him (as it appeared with Hutch).
    Or does Rob and gang come back and say it will cost us roughly $X to get this guy, leaving us with $X to spend.
    We have a budget of $X to spend on draft signees leaving us with $X to spend on FA and we want to leave a margin of $X for other needs that may come up.
    Just wondering how the signing cost of a player rolls into Brad and Rick when looking at trying to put the best team possible on the field.
    If I'm the coach,
    I would use whatever influence I have to bring in players that I think will have the best chances of improving my team (whether FA, draft, or anywhere else).
    And Brad may very well suggest we bring in a number of players that never make the team due to a myriad of other reasons.

    If you take DE for example and decide Suggs is a guy you want to go after.
    Do you look at his position and decide okay he's the 7th best DE in the NFL, numbers 6 and 8 are making $5M and $4M a year respectively, so we should be able to get him for something in between that.
    However, Suggs boys come back and say most of the contracts were done 3-4 years ago and they are on the last few years of their contract.
    If you look at recent signings of DE's such as Kerney getting $40M over 6 years, he feels he should be getting closer to $6M a year.
    On top of that, some other team with a great weakness at DE comes in and offers him $6.2M.
    To a lot of people, if you bring him in at this price, it would be considered overpaying based on the rest of the DE's in the league and his perceived value.
    But reality is, if you want a proven commodity this is what it will cost.
    Who makes that decision whether he is worth it?

    If the team continues to operate significantly under the cap, it doesn't show me that the org is doing what they can to put the best team on the field thats possible.
    I am not looking to be impressed by how frugal this org runs, I want to know that they are doing everything they can do build a SuperBowl caliber team.
    If I want to admire frugality in pro sports, I'll look to the Twins.

    I think their plan from the beginning wsa BUILDING a superbowl calibur team.
    It has been said over and over by Childress and others they want to build through the draft and supplement through FA.
    That being said, they aren't going to use all their cap space.
    They will try and find good moraled team players to build with even if it means over paying someone a little without breaking the bank.

    That is how NE started rising to the top.
    It takes a bit of time (hopefully not too long).
    The Vikings showed this year they can pretty much compete with any team out there.
    With better play from the QB they would have had a much better record than 8-8.
    This would tell me they are not far off from being a competitor especially with improved play at the QB position.

    They now have a decent nucleous.
    Their defense has vastly improved but needs a good pass rushing DE.
    probably will have to replace Smith at Safety.
    The rest of the defense is pretty set if you ask me.

    The offense has a good front line and if Cook matures it will be that much better.
    I like what I see in Herrera and we all know about Birk and the left side.
    McKinnie needs to work on being able to block against the quick DEs.
    There's a great RB tandum.
    The WRs are good but they still need that #1 guy.
    Now all that's left from there is improvement from TJ.
    We all know he has the skills but the question is will he be able to utilize them.
    That is the reason I wouldn't mind getting McNabb for a year or two so TJ has more time to develope.
    I agree with a lot of your assessment of team needs, just trying to get a better feel of how players are really being valued and selected.
    McNabb for instance, if Childress really wants this guy and Spielman or Rob are concerned with the price it will take to get him, what thought process wins out.
    Due they need go for majority vote, due different people have a stronger say....

    Childress, Spielman, and Rob stand in a circle and play Roshambo. Last guy standing gets the final say. ;D

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    Re: Interesting Questions And Answers

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    [quote author=snowinapril link=topic=41367.msg705746#msg705746 date=1200077018]

    Bucky Scribner: In your humble opinion, are the players truly behind Tarvaris Jackson as their future quarterback?

    KS: I think most players realize Tarvaris is the most comfortable option for 2008. Many of them have spent two years working with him, and they know that a new quarterback – even if it’s an accomplished guy like Donovan McNabb – would take time and a lot of extra work to get comfortable with. I’m sure there are plenty of players who know Tarvaris has a lot of work ahead of him, but I think they support him over bringing in someone else and starting over again. More than anything, they want stability, and Tarvaris is the guy that offers it...
    Anyone honestly think that McNabb would have a difficult time running this offense and getting use to WRs.

    I don't!
    He has the confidence and the ability to command an offense at the NFL level, especially the one that he is already use to.
    KS, I don't think that you were thinking when you put his name in the paragraph.
    I would believe it more if you said Derrick Anderson.
    McNabb would fit right in. If I remember correctly wasn't Childress his OC in Philly and college QB coach?
    Yes, Childress was the OC in Philadelphia, but recent reports are indicating that McNabb and Reid had a much closer relationship than he did with The Big Chill.

    No, Childress was never his college coach.
    Childress's college coaching career never took him to Syracuse.
    Coach Rogers is the tie that binds.

    ;D

    http://www.hokiesports.com/staff/rogers.html
    Thats right, sorry. What the hell am I thinking about? I am confused. Does this guy have ties to the Vikes? What thread am I thinking about?
    Coach Rogers is the Vikes QB coach.
    Most of us down here in Hookie nations thought he would be the OC by now.
    Very well thought of in these parts.
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    Don't a lot of people down in yer parts think Mike Vick is innocent, too?

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    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=41367.msg705775#msg705775 date=1200079184]
    [quote author=snowinapril link=topic=41367.msg705746#msg705746 date=1200077018]

    Bucky Scribner: In your humble opinion, are the players truly behind Tarvaris Jackson as their future quarterback?

    KS: I think most players realize Tarvaris is the most comfortable option for 2008. Many of them have spent two years working with him, and they know that a new quarterback – even if it’s an accomplished guy like Donovan McNabb – would take time and a lot of extra work to get comfortable with. I’m sure there are plenty of players who know Tarvaris has a lot of work ahead of him, but I think they support him over bringing in someone else and starting over again. More than anything, they want stability, and Tarvaris is the guy that offers it...
    Anyone honestly think that McNabb would have a difficult time running this offense and getting use to WRs.

    I don't!
    He has the confidence and the ability to command an offense at the NFL level, especially the one that he is already use to.
    KS, I don't think that you were thinking when you put his name in the paragraph.
    I would believe it more if you said Derrick Anderson.
    McNabb would fit right in. If I remember correctly wasn't Childress his OC in Philly and college QB coach?
    Yes, Childress was the OC in Philadelphia, but recent reports are indicating that McNabb and Reid had a much closer relationship than he did with The Big Chill.

    No, Childress was never his college coach.
    Childress's college coaching career never took him to Syracuse.
    Coach Rogers is the tie that binds.

    ;D

    http://www.hokiesports.com/staff/rogers.html
    Thats right, sorry. What the hell am I thinking about? I am confused. Does this guy have ties to the Vikes? What thread am I thinking about?
    Coach Rogers is the Vikes QB coach.
    Most of us down here in Hookie nations thought he would be the OC by now.
    Very well thought of in these parts.
    [/quote]

    Don't a lot of people down in yer parts think Mike Vick is innocent, too?

    =Z=
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