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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

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    Through 10 games, the Vikings have six interceptions. That's 24th in the NFL, and consider this: The Packers have six interception returns for touchdowns.
    I have been preaching all year that we need to press more like Green Bay. We have the guys to play this type of pass D. Although it does not work against all teams. Green Bay needed to give up the press and play more like us vs the Saints.
    The Packers do have 17int's to our 8 but they also have 2 fumbles recovered compared to our 12. I think part of the reason we get more fumbles is because we keep the reciever in front and the defender gets a chance to see the ball and try to strip it more often than if they were playing man.
    I thought must of those fumbles where from our line and ST. I am going to look for that stat.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

    I have been trouble by our lack of picks a little, but not too much. I think overall we are doing much better on pass defense and if the picks come so be it, but if not, we will be fine.
    We force fumbles and get turnovers fairly effectively (which is good since the offense loves giving them right back) and I think in the long run the picks will come.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

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    Through 10 games, the Vikings have six interceptions. That's 24th in the NFL, and consider this: The Packers have six interception returns for touchdowns.
    I have been preaching all year that we need to press more like Green Bay. We have the guys to play this type of pass D. Although it does not work against all teams. Green Bay needed to give up the press and play more like us vs the Saints.
    The Packers do have 17int's to our 8 but they also have 2 fumbles recovered compared to our 12. I think part of the reason we get more fumbles is because we keep the reciever in front and the defender gets a chance to see the ball and try to strip it more often than if they were playing man.
    I thought must of those fumbles where from our line and ST. I am going to look for that stat.
    I was right. Only 3 have come from passes. 4 from sacks. 2 from bad snaps. 2 from runs. 1 from STs.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

    Theres really only one reason: Cedric Griffin.
    My least favorite viking finally got benched last week, I'm just hoping Griffin is next.
    Get Sapp or McCauley our there, I don't care which.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

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    "jmcdon00" wrote:
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    Through 10 games, the Vikings have six interceptions. That's 24th in the NFL, and consider this: The Packers have six interception returns for touchdowns.
    I have been preaching all year that we need to press more like Green Bay. We have the guys to play this type of pass D. Although it does not work against all teams. Green Bay needed to give up the press and play more like us vs the Saints.
    The Packers do have 17int's to our 8 but they also have 2 fumbles recovered compared to our 12. I think part of the reason we get more fumbles is because we keep the reciever in front and the defender gets a chance to see the ball and try to strip it more often than if they were playing man.
    I thought must of those fumbles where from our line and ST. I am going to look for that stat.
    I was right. Only 3 have come from passes. 4 from sacks. 2 from bad snaps. 2 from runs. 1 from STs.
    Still 3 is more than the entire Packers team. Not sure what the play calls were(or who recovered them) but Griffin leads the team with 4 fumbles forced, followed by Greenway and Winfield with 3 each. I'm not disagreeing with you that they should play more man to man, they should, just pointing out that the Packers are not all that.
    In 2007 the vikings had 6 int's for TD's with essentially the same scheme and personel they have this year.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
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    Through 10 games, the Vikings have six interceptions. That's 24th in the NFL, and consider this: The Packers have six interception returns for touchdowns.
    I have been preaching all year that we need to press more like Green Bay. We have the guys to play this type of pass D. Although it does not work against all teams. Green Bay needed to give up the press and play more like us vs the Saints.
    The Packers do have 17int's to our 8 but they also have 2 fumbles recovered compared to our 12. I think part of the reason we get more fumbles is because we keep the reciever in front and the defender gets a chance to see the ball and try to strip it more often than if they were playing man.
    I thought must of those fumbles where from our line and ST. I am going to look for that stat.
    I was right. Only 3 have come from passes. 4 from sacks. 2 from bad snaps. 2 from runs. 1 from STs.
    Still 3 is more than the entire Packers team. Not sure what the play calls were(or who recovered them) but Griffin leads the team with 4 fumbles forced, followed by Greenway and Winfield with 3 each. I'm not disagreeing with you that they should play more man to man, they should, just pointing out that the Packers are not all that.
    In 2007 the vikings had 6 int's for TD's with essentially the same scheme and personel they have this year.
    Actually I was wrong. It was only 2 from passes. 4 from sacks. 3 from bad snaps. 2 from runs. 1 from STs. The list is below. Those 6 INTs returned last year came from 2 by KW, 1 by Greenway, 1 by Smith (no longer here), Sharper, and Winfield. Again the secondary is not really involved in those just like the fumbles. Which makes me wonder how much has adding Allen helped. Is it Cedric? Was Smith that good? Is Sharper losing it? Point is we need a shutdown corner/playmaker along side Winfield. I think Cedric would be better as a nickel. Pressing will help as well. Our DL is much better than Green Bays yet they have more INTs (17 compared to eight), more TDs (15 to 9), less points per game (23.6 to 22.4), and less passing yards per game (189.2 to 228.5).

    17-J.Delhomme FUMBLES (Aborted) at MIN 48, RECOVERED by MIN-51-B.Leber at MIN 48. 51-B.Leber to MIN 48 for no gain (Team).

    17-J.Delhomme sacked at CAR 21 for -8 yards (26-A.Winfield). FUMBLES (26-A.Winfield) [26-A.Winfield], RECOVERED by MIN-26-A.Winfield at CAR 19. 26-A.Winfield for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    5-K.Collins Aborted. 68-K.Mawae FUMBLES at TEN 37, RECOVERED by MIN-56-E. J. Henderson at TEN 41. 56-E. J. Henderson to TEN 41 for no gain (73-J.Scott).

    9-D.Brees sacked at NO 14 for -10 yards (26-A.Winfield). FUMBLES (26-A.Winfield), RECOVERED by MIN-26-A.Winfield at NO 14. 26-A.Winfield to NO 5 for 9 yards (77-C.Nicks).

    25-R.Bush right end to MIN 34 for 1 yard (52-C.Greenway). FUMBLES (52-C.Greenway), RECOVERED by MIN-25-T.Johnson at MIN 32. 25-T.Johnson to MIN 39 for 7 yards. 25-T.Johnson pass incomplete short left. PENALTY on MIN-25-T.Johnson, Illegal Forward Pass, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 39.

    6-D.Orlovsky pass deep middle to 81-C.Johnson to MIN 30 for 32 yards [91-R.Edwards]. FUMBLES [91-R.Edwards], RECOVERED by MIN-51-B.Leber at MIN 30. 51-B.Leber to MIN 40 for 10 yards.

    18-K.Orton sacked at CHI 43 for -6 yards (69-J.Allen). FUMBLES (69-J.Allen), RECOVERED by MIN-94-P.Williams at CHI 45. 94-P.Williams to CHI 45 for no gain (18-K.Orton, 76-J.Tait).

    8-M.Schaub sacked at MIN 44 for -9 yards (52-C.Greenway). FUMBLES (52-C.Greenway), RECOVERED by MIN-51-B.Leber at MIN 44. 51-B.Leber to MIN 44 for no gain (73-E.Winston).

    22-C.Smith left end to MIN 28 for 2 yards (23-C.Griffin). FUMBLES (23-C.Griffin), touched at MIN 28, RECOVERED by MIN-51-B.Leber at MIN 28. 51-B.Leber to MIN 28 for no gain (65-J.Trueblood).

    9-D.Garrard Aborted. 63-B.Meester FUMBLES at JAC 27, RECOVERED by MIN-99-N.Harris at JAC 27. 99-N.Harris for 27 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    8-R.Longwell kicks 62 yards from MIN 30 to JAC 8. 38-B.Witherspoon to JAC 28 for 20 yards (23-C.Griffin). FUMBLES (23-C.Griffin), RECOVERED by MIN-55-D.Thomas at JAC 28. 55-D.Thomas to JAC 28 for no gain (78-T.Reyes).

    9-D.Garrard pass short right to 18-M.Jones to JAC 33 for 12 yards (26-A.Winfield) [91-R.Edwards]. FUMBLES (26-A.Winfield) [91-R.Edwards], RECOVERED by MIN-42-D.Sharper at JAC 38. 42-D.Sharper to JAC 38 for no gain (33-G.Jones).

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

    This team is top 2 or 3 in forced fumbles... turnovers are turnovers no matter how you get them.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

    "marstc09" wrote:
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    "jmcdon00" wrote:
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    Through 10 games, the Vikings have six interceptions. That's 24th in the NFL, and consider this: The Packers have six interception returns for touchdowns.
    I have been preaching all year that we need to press more like Green Bay. We have the guys to play this type of pass D. Although it does not work against all teams. Green Bay needed to give up the press and play more like us vs the Saints.
    The Packers do have 17int's to our 8 but they also have 2 fumbles recovered compared to our 12. I think part of the reason we get more fumbles is because we keep the reciever in front and the defender gets a chance to see the ball and try to strip it more often than if they were playing man.
    I thought must of those fumbles where from our line and ST. I am going to look for that stat.
    I was right. Only 3 have come from passes. 4 from sacks. 2 from bad snaps. 2 from runs. 1 from STs.
    Look under "Defense & Fumbles"

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    Arent we first in fumbles forced?
    Interceptions are nice, and we got a few last week - we will still face Culpepper and a rookie QB in the dome.
    We will do okay by the end of the year, i'm sure.

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    Re: Interceptions? Not this year

    Forced fumbles don't mean shit. Recovered fumbles do. With that said, we are in 2nd place with 12 recovered fumbles & in 23rd place with interceptions.

    Whether it's interceptions or fumbles doesn't matter. Turnovers, no matter where they come from, are key & we need to stay ahead of the take away/giveaway game to win games.

    Amazingly we were able to win at least 1 game when we were in the minus column on take aways/giveaways.

    Currently, we have 20 take aways, but have given away the ball 22 times leaving us with a -2 turnover ratio.

    We are only +3 on fumble recoveries & -5 on interceptions.

    Based on that, it's easy to see why we are 6-5.

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