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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    "Jereamiah" wrote:
    "Elam529" wrote:
    I'll admit, he's got a lot of coaching fundamentals down. If he can just get the playcalling and clock management down, he'll be one of the best. Till then, Denny Green is still my favorite.
    4th and inches at the opponents 40. 2 minutes to go and down by 10. Denny would punt it away everytime and twice on sunday. No killer instinct. Let the falcons hang around and............
    I'll take the Chiller any day even if he does look like a molester.
    I agree, 100%.
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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    "Formo" wrote:
    "Jereamiah" wrote:
    "Elam529" wrote:
    I'll admit, he's got a lot of coaching fundamentals down. If he can just get the playcalling and clock management down, he'll be one of the best. Till then, Denny Green is still my favorite.
    4th and inches at the opponents 40. 2 minutes to go and down by 10. Denny would punt it away everytime and twice on sunday. No killer instinct. Let the falcons hang around and............
    I'll take the Chiller any day even if he does look like a molester.
    I agree, 100%.

    Guys that is not a thing to say about anybody!

    You may not think he is cool because of the way he dresses or because he is bald, but you don't call somebody that without proof.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    I am very happy with the Vikings and think we are tearing it up this year.
    But am I sold on Childress?
    Not really.
    Without Favre I believe this team would be near .500 and we'd all be complaining about alot of stuff.
    Maybe alot of you disagree but I'm going to wait and see how we handle some real high pressure games against some big dog teams before I can change my opinion of Childress.
    But if you want to crown him, crown him.

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    Has Singer ever admitted that he is glad to have Favre?

    Or is he still saying wait until late in the season?
    He has been quiet. The haters have been silenced.
    ;D

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    "Schutz" wrote:
    I am very happy with the Vikings and think we are tearing it up this year.
    But am I sold on Childress?
    Not really.
    Without Favre I believe this team would be near .500 and we'd all be complaining about alot of stuff.
    Maybe alot of you disagree but I'm going to wait and see how we handle some real high pressure games against some big dog teams before I can change my opinion of Childress.
    But if you want to crown him, crown him.
    Every great coach seems to have a great QB... someone posted the list in the Chilly extension thread.
    Generally speaking, coaches are evaluated based on their ability to win... and in this league, winning is predominantly determined by QB play.
    There are some exceptions, but the correlation is too strong to refute.
    Is Chilly a different coach this year then in the past?
    He's improving, but he's still the same guy.
    The difference this year is the improved QB play... with that play comes improved team play, improved win percentage, and improved perception of Chilly's coaching abilities.

    IMO, there are better ways to look at a coach.
    How is the team's game plan?
    How are they making on the fly adjustments?
    How are they doing with penalties?
    A well coached team comes in ready to play, even against inferior opponents.
    A well coached team has a strong game plan but is able to tweak it as needed.
    A well coached team comes out improved after half time.
    A well coached team has the discipline to minimize penalties.

    Holding Childress to that standard, I believe he does very well.
    Our team has come ready to play every week though I could see some disagreeing with weeks 1 and 2 which I attribute more to Favre's learning curve.
    We are near the league low in penalties committed.
    The stat I saw on Sunday said we have scored the most point of any team in the league in our first possession after the half.
    In games that we had issues early (Detroit and Cleveland) adjustments were made to put the game in hand.

    Beyond these things, the players respect Childress and not because he lets them do whatever they want like some "player coaches".
    Players seem to want to play for him.

    He can improve.
    The issues people have presented regarding his clock management abilities are valid though issues people harp on like play calling and challenges really need to go away.
    The team could continue to develop more of a killer instinct ala the Patriots though that is a rare quality.
    Remember, a cornered animal is the most dangerous, the same can be said about a team with their backs against the wall who you're trying to completely crush instead of just defeating.
    I'd also like to point out most of our killer instinct problems reside with our D getting too soft as opposed to our O not scoring enough points which I find rather humorous since many MANY people would have loved to see Chilly replaced with Frazier.
    So he does have areas to improve and while these areas may make Chilly appear "idiotic" they are also easily fixed versus the other qualities he demonstrates being much harder to obtain.

    I like Chilly, I like the way he has the team heading, and I like the way he as a coach is progressing.
    Bringing Favre in was a great move for the team and for himself as a coach.
    Let the Purple Reign of Terror begin in the NFL!
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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    IMO he's by far the best coach in the league at making good personnel decisions, players and coaches.
    I think he and his staff have improved all the players skills since they arrived.

    Even Shank who I wrote off as a bad choice the first year has matured and impressed.

    I'm not a fan of his play calling, but it's been effective enough to get the job done, especially in the zone.

    It's up to the playoffs to see what he can really do, but I have confidence for once.

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "whackthepack" wrote:
    Has Singer ever admitted that he is glad to have Favre?

    Or is he still saying wait until late in the season?
    He has been quiet. The haters have been silenced.
    ;D
    LOL, I'd still be worried about Favre too, but only if we weren't getting TJack reps, and if Favre was getting hit more.

    Side note: it seems like every pass play, someone on the opposing defense gets a shove in on Favre after he's released the ball. They all "pull up" (after shoving him???) so there's no penalty, but there are clearly a lot of shoves he receives, especially in that SEA game. Anyone else notice that too? Just seems like more than I notice other QB's receiving.
    Trying to bring rationale to an irrational site

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    "BleedinPandG" wrote:
    "Schutz" wrote:
    I am very happy with the Vikings and think we are tearing it up this year.
    But am I sold on Childress?
    Not really.
    Without Favre I believe this team would be near .500 and we'd all be complaining about alot of stuff.
    Maybe alot of you disagree but I'm going to wait and see how we handle some real high pressure games against some big dog teams before I can change my opinion of Childress.
    But if you want to crown him, crown him.
    Every great coach seems to have a great QB... someone posted the list in the Chilly extension thread.
    Generally speaking, coaches are evaluated based on their ability to win... and in this league, winning is predominantly determined by QB play.
    There are some exceptions, but the correlation is too strong to refute.
    Is Chilly a different coach this year then in the past?
    He's improving, but he's still the same guy.
    The difference this year is the improved QB play... with that play comes improved team play, improved win percentage, and improved perception of Chilly's coaching abilities.

    IMO, there are better ways to look at a coach.
    How is the team's game plan?
    How are they making on the fly adjustments?
    How are they doing with penalties?
    A well coached team comes in ready to play, even against inferior opponents.
    A well coached team has a strong game plan but is able to tweak it as needed.
    A well coached team comes out improved after half time.
    A well coached team has the discipline to minimize penalties.

    Holding Childress to that standard, I believe he does very well.
    Our team has come ready to play every week though I could see some disagreeing with weeks 1 and 2 which I attribute more to Favre's learning curve.
    We are near the league low in penalties committed.
    The stat I saw on Sunday said we have scored the most point of any team in the league in our first possession after the half.
    In games that we had issues early (Detroit and Cleveland) adjustments were made to put the game in hand.

    Beyond these things, the players respect Childress and not because he lets them do whatever they want like some "player coaches".
    Players seem to want to play for him.

    He can improve.
    The issues people have presented regarding his clock management abilities are valid though issues people harp on like play calling and challenges really need to go away.
    The team could continue to develop more of a killer instinct ala the Patriots though that is a rare quality.
    Remember, a cornered animal is the most dangerous, the same can be said about a team with their backs against the wall who you're trying to completely crush instead of just defeating.
    I'd also like to point out most of our killer instinct problems reside with our D getting too soft as opposed to our O not scoring enough points which I find rather humorous since many MANY people would have loved to see Chilly replaced with Frazier.
    So he does have areas to improve and while these areas may make Chilly appear "idiotic" they are also easily fixed versus the other qualities he demonstrates being much harder to obtain.

    I like Chilly, I like the way he has the team heading, and I like the way he as a coach is progressing.
    Bringing Favre in was a great move for the team and for himself as a coach.
    Let the Purple Reign of Terror begin in the NFL!
    That sir was a good post.
    Skol.
    I can see where you're coming from, I just want to see how prepared we are in games against quality opponents and especially the playoffs.
    I mean look at what happens with guys like Marty Shotenhiemer, kicked butt in the regular season and then choke.
    Or look at Denny Green.
    I will say I have a higher opinion of Childress than I have in the past but I'm just laying in wait still.

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    I think he came in with a great game plan that he learned in Philly. Win in the trenches first and that will open up everything else.
    I'm still not 100% convinced Chilly is a great clock manager, or play caller, but he has definetly done his job to this point.
    I think the success we are having starts right at the top, the change in ownership is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise.(Better than Favre or Peterson)

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    Re: I'll admit, I'm a convert

    I don't want no criminal coaching the Minnesota Vikings. They have enough troubles as it is.

    Err... What's that you say!

    Oh, CONVERT....

    I thought you said convict.
    ;D

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