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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    Culpepper's injury forced changes that should have been made before ... I think his injury will also benefit him when he returns ... all in all ... I think we beat the Lions twice and the Browns with him at the helm, but I dont know about the Giants and Packers game ... We also may have smacked the weak Rams secondary a little harder. I say we would probably be something like 6-7 with him in there maybe stil 8-5, but maybe 5-8 ... who knows ... he is not in here and does not really matter what we think would happen with him, because we don't have him and won't the rest of the season.

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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    "Deronn" wrote:
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    I for one have no clue...quite frankly none of you (honestly) Culpepper was in a Slump hey it happens you gotta move on..I think he was findin his rhythem right before the Carolina game....but who knows.
    I agree 100%. What would the team be like with Moss still on the team. If Tommy Kramer were quarterback today, would we have a better record... Who knows????

    The whole team looked different before the Carolina game... BAD!!! The defense and special teams were not playing as good as they are now and couldn't capitalize on the mistakes of the other team like then can now. That is what has kept us on this win streak. Do I think Johnson at quarterback has helped? Yes, but I think any kind of shake up would have helped the offense make the improvements that they have - it's not like since BJ has been in that we suddely have a high powered offense again. We (the coaches) just changed to a very conservative offensive game plan and relied on our defense/special teams to provide us opportunities instead of relying soley on the offense to create their own opportunities like we've done in the past.
    Besides our D and special teams stepping it up (which has been a huge factor), the other thing that has kept us winning since the Carolina game is the drop in offensive turnovers. Those INT's and lost fumbles were killing us early in the season. Brad has done a really good job at QB IMO and has played smart football (you can call it conservative if you like, even though he's taken shots downfield when the opportunity has arised, but atleast he's not throwing a couple INT's every game, and to me that's more important). Winning is all that matters.
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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    there is really no way to tell what would have happen. if pepper stayed in that carolina game, we might have won it as when he went down, we were just starting to do stuff. daunte has more skill than bj no doubt, but they are totally different qbs. but daunte wasnt playing good and how do we know that the next play daunte wouldnt have thrown a td? impossible to tell.
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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    My take is that Tice started to play the type of football we should have played from the start after the injury. Running the ball more, and getting the D to play well.

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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    "kramer9guy" wrote:
    "Deronn" wrote:
    "WilliamsonOfTroy" wrote:
    I for one have no clue...quite frankly none of you (honestly) Culpepper was in a Slump hey it happens you gotta move on..I think he was findin his rhythem right before the Carolina game....but who knows.
    I agree 100%. What would the team be like with Moss still on the team. If Tommy Kramer were quarterback today, would we have a better record... Who knows????

    The whole team looked different before the Carolina game... BAD!!! The defense and special teams were not playing as good as they are now and couldn't capitalize on the mistakes of the other team like then can now. That is what has kept us on this win streak. Do I think Johnson at quarterback has helped? Yes, but I think any kind of shake up would have helped the offense make the improvements that they have - it's not like since BJ has been in that we suddely have a high powered offense again. We (the coaches) just changed to a very conservative offensive game plan and relied on our defense/special teams to provide us opportunities instead of relying soley on the offense to create their own opportunities like we've done in the past.
    Besides our D and special teams stepping it up (which has been a huge factor), the other thing that has kept us winning since the Carolina game is the drop in offensive turnovers. Those INT's and lost fumbles were killing us early in the season. Brad has done a really good job at QB IMO and has played smart football (you can call it conservative if you like, even though he's taken shots downfield when the opportunity has arised, but atleast he's not throwing a couple INT's every game, and to me that's more important). Winning is all that matters.
    I agree with you for the most part. Daunte's play was off (to say the least!) and the INT's had a huge impact. But the coaching staff kept calling passing plays... and that led to more INT!! If you don't want to call the play calling conservative, then what would you call it?
    Up to and including the Carolina game, the team ran 392 offensive plays - 147 Running and 245 Passing. That's a 38%/62% split. Since the Carolina game they have run another 343 plays and the look of the offense has changed considerably. They have called 185 Running plays and 158 Passing - a 54%/46% split in favor of the RUNNING plays. And it isn't because we've built such a comfortable lead on teams that we've focused on the run. I know that my "cheeks" have been puckered up pretty tight every game hoping that they could hold on!

    Either way, I agree.... It's the W's that matter most!!! :grin:

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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    "litlharsh" wrote:
    My take is that Tice started to play the type of football we should have played from the start after the injury. Running the ball more, and getting the D to play well.
    Wow... you said what I tried to in just 2 lines... You're good! (or I can't make a point!) :grin:

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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    "Deronn" wrote:
    "litlharsh" wrote:
    My take is that Tice started to play the type of football we should have played from the start after the injury. Running the ball more, and getting the D to play well.
    Wow... you said what I tried to in just 2 lines... You're good! (or I can't make a point!) :grin:
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    "Deronn" wrote:
    "WilliamsonOfTroy" wrote:
    I for one have no clue...quite frankly none of you (honestly) Culpepper was in a Slump hey it happens you gotta move on..I think he was findin his rhythem right before the Carolina game....but who knows.
    I agree 100%. What would the team be like with Moss still on the team. If Tommy Kramer were quarterback today, would we have a better record... Who knows????

    The whole team looked different before the Carolina game... BAD!!! The defense and special teams were not playing as good as they are now and couldn't capitalize on the mistakes of the other team like then can now. That is what has kept us on this win streak. Do I think Johnson at quarterback has helped? Yes, but I think any kind of shake up would have helped the offense make the improvements that they have - it's not like since BJ has been in that we suddely have a high powered offense again. We (the coaches) just changed to a very conservative offensive game plan and relied on our defense/special teams to provide us opportunities instead of relying soley on the offense to create their own opportunities like we've done in the past.
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    [quote]"Deronn" wrote:
    I agree with you for the most part. Daunte's play was off (to say the least!) and the INT's had a huge impact. But the coaching staff kept calling passing plays... and that led to more INT!! If you don't want to call the play calling conservative, then what would you call it?
    Up to and including the Carolina game, the team ran 392 offensive plays - 147 Running and 245 Passing. That's a 38%/62% split. Since the Carolina game they have run another 343 plays and the look of the offense has changed considerably. They have called 185 Running plays and 158 Passing - a 54%/46% split in favor of the RUNNING plays. And it isn't because we've built such a comfortable lead on teams that we've focused on the run. I know that my "cheeks" have been puckered up pretty tight every game hoping that they could hold on!

    Either way, I agree.... It's the W's that matter most!!! :grin:
    brilliant. hopefully more people read these posts and hopefully have a more thorough understanding of why we were failing in the 1st half.

    i personally believe daunte was playing like shit. but in all fairness the way the team was playing he was set up to be the fall boy.

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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

    "Deronn" wrote:
    I agree with you for the most part. Daunte's play was off (to say the least!) and the INT's had a huge impact. But the coaching staff kept calling passing plays... and that led to more INT!! If you don't want to call the play calling conservative, then what would you call it?
    Up to and including the Carolina game, the team ran 392 offensive plays - 147 Running and 245 Passing. That's a 38%/62% split. Since the Carolina game they have run another 343 plays and the look of the offense has changed considerably. They have called 185 Running plays and 158 Passing - a 54%/46% split in favor of the RUNNING plays. And it isn't because we've built such a comfortable lead on teams that we've focused on the run. I know that my "cheeks" have been puckered up pretty tight every game hoping that they could hold on!

    Either way, I agree.... It's the W's that matter most!!! :grin:
    One of the reasons we passed more with Daunte is because we were getting blown out in games because of turn overs. We had to pass in order to have any chance of catching up. The big difference is BJ isn't fumbling and throwing Int's.

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    Re: If Pep was still on the team

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    Would we still have this winning streak ?
    No, we would not. Culpepper showed no signs of improving whatsoever. Each game he just got worse and worse. I wish I could say he had been showing signs of getting better, but the records shows we were in big trouble under his total lack of leadership.

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