Thread: if good then bad

"jimmymac" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

The thing is a lot of Vikings fans do not like him. They just don't feel the need to tell the world every 25 seconds :grin:

I think you make valid points when you try to do so. The fact that you know all about Roy High School makes it ok in my book. Glad Jim didn't play when I did we may have lost to Roy.

Well, I had to say it ever 25 seconds because the Culpepper Lovers were trying to censor any anti-Culpepper opinions that were expressed. Now it has turned around and I don't see as many Culpepper lovers.

Roy High -- I'd still get lost in that place. It's a maze.

I'm still a Culpepper supporter. The only thing he did wrong when he was playing this season was he tried to force things because of the pathetic play by our line. If he came in the game and took what the D gave him or threw the ball away then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. His QB'ing problems are fixable, the athleticism he has can't be tought, patience can be.

I'm still a Culpepper supporter. He had an awesome year last year and a pathetic year this year. I blame it on many things, including his inability to get it together at times. We'll see how he does when he comes back into the mix. I wouldn't hesitate to offer him up in a trade if the price was right....then again, there isn't a player on the team that I wouldn't trade if the price was right. Maybe the Vikings can be on the receiving end of a Hershel Walker trade, that would sure be nice.

"jimmymac" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

The thing is a lot of Vikings fans do not like him. They just don't feel the need to tell the world every 25 seconds :grin:

I think you make valid points when you try to do so. The fact that you know all about Roy High School makes it ok in my book. Glad Jim didn't play when I did we may have lost to Roy.

Well, I had to say it ever 25 seconds because the Culpepper Lovers were trying to censor any anti-Culpepper opinions that were expressed. Now it has turned around and I don't see as many Culpepper lovers.

Roy High -- I'd still get lost in that place. It's a maze.

I would just take comfort in the fact that everyone knows where you stand. Tark and I got blasted for suggesting he wasn't a HOF QB even before the season started and that was being nice.

You just will not convince anyone. It's the line magically playing better, it's the coaches doing a great job, it's the WR's running better routes, on and on. You will not win. There are many who share your opinion that just don't have the energy to argue it anymore.

sports people are see as gods and if they screw up, people get real mad at them.

culpepper owns and i cant wait to get him back. he does have talent. you dont have a season like he did last year and have no talent.

If only sports enthusiasts could be more dispassionate and rational and less of a 'fan'atic, then we could ditch the simple arguments about causality, the superstition, and the biases.

Evidence, sources, and an open mind are great things to bring to understanding a problem. More often than not the average fan leaves these at home and things devolve into a "because I said so and you're a loser if you don't agree" that DR mentioned (at least that's my understanding of what he said).

At the risk of coming off as an elitist, I think sports conversations tend to be pretty lowbrow. I don't mean to say that sports enthusiasts are by nature dumb. What I am saying is that many people here and elsewhere take disagreement personally and don't know how or want to have a civil conversation about what causes what. We all lose out when that happens.

All i know for a fact is what culpepper can get done when he has the help he needs. I know for a fact that some of his passes are so incredible they look fake. He's that good when he has the protection and confidence in his fellow teamates. Thats what i want to get back to. Build an offense around him like Peyton has around him. A great oline, a pro bowl RB, 2 Pro Bowl WR's, not to mention little weapons like the TE and Stokley. Put Culpepper in that offense and he's a beast, Why? Because he's proven that if has the pieces he can put the puzzle together. I will have faith in culpepper, he needs work but he's still young, and thats a fact.

1 year ago when we had the pieces on offense everyone was riding his jock, once we loose the pieces he struggles to make things happen (alot is on his shoulders) and he forces things. I know culpeppers love for this game, i know he has heart, i know he can get the job done, BUT HE NEEDS HELP!

"ColoradoVike" wrote:

If only sports enthusiasts could be more dispassionate and rational and less of a 'fan'atic, then we could ditch the simple arguments about causality, the superstition, and the biases.

Evidence, sources, and an open mind are great things to bring to understanding a problem. More often than not the average fan leaves these at home and things devolve into a "because I said so and you're a loser if you don't agree" that DR mentioned (at least that's my understanding of what he said).

At the risk of coming off as an elitist, I think sports conversations tend to be pretty lowbrow. I don't mean to say that sports enthusiasts are by nature dumb. What I am saying is that many people here and elsewhere take disagreement personally and don't know how or want to have a civil conversation about what causes what. We all lose out when that happens.

You are so philosophical...is it any wonder that Alan Page is your favorite player!!! Your title should be changed to PP.O Plato! :thumbleft:

"gregair13" wrote:

sports people are see as gods and if they screw up, people get real mad at them.

culpepper owns and i cant wait to get him back. he does have talent. you dont have a season like he did last year and have no talent.

I would never say he has no talent. Physically he is probably in the top 3 talented QB's in the game. But the bottomline is that mentally he should be playing like a vet, not a rook. I've always thought he had problems going down field (not bombs) and insted he would dump it off & let the playmakers around him bump his stats.

I think the reason for our streak is that BJ can manage this offense. He may not have the talent but has the ability to lead others & I dont think C-pep will ever have that. Though I do hope C-pep fully recovers from his injurey ASAP, I just hope when he does he doesnt start for this team ever again.

Yup i think thats why i'm not ready to give up on daunte, i know he loves the game and wants to get better and IF he does get the mental part of the game down the sky is the limit because of his physical talent. Combine the two and you got something specail.

Blah blah this blah blah that on C-Pep or MeMo or Bennett ... if we did not have people going back and forth, what the hell would we talk about? :-)