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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    In 2010 with the Kansas City Chiefs, Cassel threw 27 TDs and only 7 INTs. As far as I can tell Moss wasn't on that team...
    That year his QBR was lower than Ponder's of last year. Sorry, but I'm not buying the Cassel hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Moss View Post
    That year his QBR was lower than Ponder's of last year. Sorry, but I'm not buying the Cassel hype.
    Don't you hate it when you think you made a really good point and then someone comes in and uses those pesky things known as facts to completely debunk what you just said?

    Cassel in 2010:
    Comp.% - 58.2%
    Yards/Att. - 6.9
    TD% - 6.00%
    Int.% - 1.55%
    NFL QB Rating - 92.972

    Ponder in 2012:
    Comp.% - 62.1%
    Yards/Att. - 6.1
    TD% - 3.73
    Int.% - 2.48
    NFL QB Rating - 81.233
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    Don't you hate it when you think you made a really good point and then someone comes in and uses those pesky things known as facts to completely debunk what you just said?

    Cassel in 2010:
    Comp.% - 58.2%
    Yards/Att. - 6.9
    TD% - 6.00%
    Int.% - 1.55%
    NFL QB Rating - 92.972

    Ponder in 2012:
    Comp.% - 62.1%
    Yards/Att. - 6.1
    TD% - 3.73
    Int.% - 2.48
    NFL QB Rating - 81.233
    I think he was referring to the Total QBR(the one espn made up). Ponder was 53.8 last year, Cassel was 52.2 in 2010.
    NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    In 2010 with the Kansas City Chiefs, Cassel threw 27 TDs and only 7 INTs. As far as I can tell Moss wasn't on that team...
    Good point, I noticed that too, but it didn't fit the argument.
    He's had a very up and down career, the last two years have been very down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdon00 View Post
    I think he was referring to the Total QBR(the one espn made up). Ponder was 53.8 last year, Cassel was 52.2 in 2010.
    NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN
    Unless I'm mistaken, the way I'm reading the way ESPN doles out the credit, a QB will get more credit for a 5 yard pass in the 4th quarter with no YAC than a QB who throws 20 yards that goes for an additional 20 YAC in the first quarter, because in the first scenario, the QB contributed more to the overall play at a more crucial time.
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    If Christian Ponder Doesnt Pan Out...

    So the moral of the last couple posts is Cassel > Ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marstc09 View Post
    So the moral of the last couple posts is Cassel > Ponder.
    I thought that was why we signed him....

    I figured that the Coaching staff was doing another "Jackson is ready to start and lead this team"...only substituting Ponder....and having Frerotte (read that as Cassel) in the wings ready to actually move us forward if Jackson (Ponder) fails.

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    I really haven't seen anything that tells me there is meaningful separation in talent between the two of them and IMO the success potential for the team lies in having a very balanced team with great overall depth on the roster. I am not saying we have that depth right now but the potential is there and that depth will dictate how far the team goes this season. Whether one or the other starts I don't see a big shift in win percentage either way.

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    If Christian Ponder Doesnt Pan Out...

    There is no separation cause Cassel just got here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdon00 View Post
    Good point, I noticed that too, but it didn't fit the argument.
    He's had a very up and down career, the last two years have been very down.
    Yeah, I hear ya. Cassel isn't exactly the second coming of Favre, but there is something alluring about someone who has actually had a pro-bowl year... especially when the current QB struggles to be mediocre.

    I just want one of the two to kick it into high gear and take us deep into the playoffs!
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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