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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "pack93z" wrote:
    If I was a coach or even to a littler note a GM, I most certainly would pay attention to forums such as this. Not using it for direct adjustments, changes in depth chart or even anything remotely to do with strategies.

    I would use it as a medium to get a pulse on the perception of the team overall.... your local fan base, the ticket holders are the key to non-shared money at the gate and concessions stands.. they are your lifeblood of operating cash flow.. never has a team had a better direct pulse on the fan base than a forum such as this.

    If you cut out the 10 % haters and 10 % homers..
    someplace in the middle where the rational fans lives, you get a direct pulse of how you are doing in the common fans eyes. And don't be fooled, there isn't a large gap between the blowhards of the NFL (Clayton, Mort, Pastabelly, Glazer) than the common fan.. they just have connections that pass on information.

    I wouldn't necessarily utilize the points made on a forum, but I certainly would pay attention to those that live, breathe, sleep and bleed your colors. To ignore them would be foolish.. IMO.
    Aww.
    You think that only 20% of us are haters or homers?
    That's cute...

    I am quite certain that the Vikings staff keeps tabs on the various Vikings forums, the strib blogs, pft, etc... But I doubt that Childress himself pays any attention to it - his job is too demanding as it is.
    Instead I would expect that the general pulse of the fans is reported to the entire FO on a weekly basis in bullet format.

    Personally, I would be extremely surprised to learn that Childress (or any NFL HC) spends any time reading blogs or forums. Hard enough giving interviews, listening to sports radio and reading the newspapers. And any HC who would be influenced by what they read in blogs does not belong in the NFL.
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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "pack93z" wrote:
    "thevikingfan" wrote:
    ive been a supporter of chili since he got there but if the playbook doesnt open up i might jump on off the chili wagon and onto the hire bill cowher one
    You want a more dynamic offense, but you are banging the drum for one of the most old school coaches out there available, well possibly if he wanted to pull a Favre.. Bill didn't have any more dynamic of an offense than what you have now.. but he was a whale of a coach that held people accountable and was a defense first and chose to have his offense not lose the game.. not sure he is the coach that fits the bill here in MN on the turf indoors. He utilized the weather and outdoors to his style of game.. and he isn't going to bring the most exciting brand of football to your franchise.. but he would probably win in the end if he could shape the defense to his liking.
    Not to mention he would almost completely need to rewrite his playbook from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense. Either that or cut half of our defensive players to fit the 3-4.

    Cowher is not the answer.

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "Prophet" wrote:
    The day a coach listens to the average idiot fan is the day they should resign.
    You look at the espn coaches poll and the support is on a week by week basis based on W/L.


    Hmmm, was Coughlin a good coach in 2007?
    Let's look at the idiot base: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=35

    How about Sean Payton in '07? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=42
    The idiots wouldn't have given him the extension like he received this year.

    What about Wade Phillips in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=33
    Wow, I bet the girls fans wished the fans had control over whether he should walk or stay.

    What about Brad Childress in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=52
    Look at the foresight of the average fan, week to week?

    How about Lovie Smith in '08? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=38
    That is a sure sign of idiocy.

    Look at the posts on this board where fans wear their emotions on their sleeves.
    Any coach worth having as a coach would treat these polls as kaka del rio, unless for some reason they want to base their career off of what some teenager and unscientific poll says.


    The coach, yes.
    The Vikings staff, no.
    The Vikings are in business NOT to win the super bowl, but to fill the seats of the stadium and make $$$.
    You may think that the average fan doesn't matter, but in truth we do.

    Nobody is saying that a coach should base any decisions on what the fan base is doing.
    But is an organization ignores the needs and wants of the fans, they are going to end up alienating the fan base to the point that they stop making money.
    Oh wait, that is already happening...

    Wilf wants a shiny new stadium that is packed with 65,000 screaming, paying fans every other Sunday.
    By following the pulse of the fans, he knows that he is not going to get it if Childress continues to stick TJack in there and TJack continues to stink it up.
    The best way to increase fans is to put a better product on the field.
    If the HC is unable to do that, the second best way is to put a new HC on the field...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "Prophet" wrote:
    The day a coach listens to the average idiot fan is the day they should resign.
    You look at the espn coaches poll and the support is on a week by week basis based on W/L.


    Hmmm, was Coughlin a good coach in 2007?
    Let's look at the idiot base: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=35

    How about Sean Payton in '07? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=42
    The idiots wouldn't have given him the extension like he received this year.

    What about Wade Phillips in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=33
    Wow, I bet the girls fans wished the fans had control over whether he should walk or stay.

    What about Brad Childress in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=52
    Look at the foresight of the average fan, week to week?

    How about Lovie Smith in '08? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=38
    That is a sure sign of idiocy.

    Look at the posts on this board where fans wear their emotions on their sleeves.
    Any coach worth having as a coach would treat these polls as kaka del rio, unless for some reason they want to base their career off of what some teenager and unscientific poll says.


    Agreed, the coach has no business paying attention to us idiot fans.
    However, the Vikings org would be foolish to ignore their fan base and how their product is being judged.
    Wins mean everything obviously, but without the W's, fans need hope and belief that things will get better if they want to fill the seats.

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "tastywaves" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    The day a coach listens to the average idiot fan is the day they should resign.
    You look at the espn coaches poll and the support is on a week by week basis based on W/L.


    Hmmm, was Coughlin a good coach in 2007?
    Let's look at the idiot base: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=35

    How about Sean Payton in '07? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=42
    The idiots wouldn't have given him the extension like he received this year.

    What about Wade Phillips in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=33
    Wow, I bet the girls fans wished the fans had control over whether he should walk or stay.

    What about Brad Childress in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=52
    Look at the foresight of the average fan, week to week?

    How about Lovie Smith in '08? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=38
    That is a sure sign of idiocy.

    Look at the posts on this board where fans wear their emotions on their sleeves.
    Any coach worth having as a coach would treat these polls as kaka del rio, unless for some reason they want to base their career off of what some teenager and unscientific poll says.


    Agreed, the coach has no business paying attention to us idiot fans.
    However, the Vikings org would be foolish to ignore their fan base and how their product is being judged.
    Wins mean everything obviously, but without the W's, fans need hope and belief that things will get better if they want to fill the seats.
    Tasty said it much better than I could...
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    Last count there were 3700 unsold tickets for Sunday's game.
    There is somebody in the organization who needs to not necessarily pay attention to specific topics, but the general mood.

    Happy fan bases sell tickets. Disgruntled fan bases do not.


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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "tastywaves" wrote:
    Agreed, the coach has no business paying attention to us idiot fans.
    However, the Vikings org would be foolish to ignore their fan base and how their product is being judged.
    Wins mean everything obviously, but without the W's, fans need hope and belief that things will get better if they want to fill the seats.
    Agreed.. just reread my initial post.. I had them twisted.. between GM and coach.. anyway the point is not to listen to direct strategies but more so the overall voice of the common fan.. they are the ones that spend the direct non shared revenue for you club.. your bottom line buffer as you will.. and what better venue to utilize than a forum with various opinions and views.. and no, I am sure the coach isn't sitting here reading each post, but I think I might hire a intern to monitor these types of mediums along with the rest of the cyberspace news, notes and every hack writer.

    And are most fans really emotional freaks that want to lynch the team on each and every loss.. wait don't answer that.
    ;D

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    The day a coach listens to the average idiot fan is the day they should resign.
    You look at the espn coaches poll and the support is on a week by week basis based on W/L.


    Hmmm, was Coughlin a good coach in 2007?
    Let's look at the idiot base: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=35

    How about Sean Payton in '07? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=42
    The idiots wouldn't have given him the extension like he received this year.

    What about Wade Phillips in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=33
    Wow, I bet the girls fans wished the fans had control over whether he should walk or stay.

    What about Brad Childress in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=52
    Look at the foresight of the average fan, week to week?

    How about Lovie Smith in '08? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=38
    That is a sure sign of idiocy.

    Look at the posts on this board where fans wear their emotions on their sleeves.
    Any coach worth having as a coach would treat these polls as kaka del rio, unless for some reason they want to base their career off of what some teenager and unscientific poll says.


    Agreed, the coach has no business paying attention to us idiot fans.
    However, the Vikings org would be foolish to ignore their fan base and how their product is being judged.
    Wins mean everything obviously, but without the W's, fans need hope and belief that things will get better if they want to fill the seats.
    Tasty said it much better than I could...
    Two different issues handled by different entities. A marketing person has no right determining who is coach and a coach has no business worrying about marketing.
    A marketer markets and a coach coaches.
    They do not overlap.
    A coach doesn't have time to worry about what some moron, that gives credence to a waterboy rumor, has to say about whom to start or sit.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/28431639.html

    Coach and quarterback are targets for blogs and e-mails
    ...
    Childress held his day-after news conference and was asked about the perception that he has tied himself stubbornly to Jackson at quarterback rather than considering other options.

    He asked in return if this perception was backed by the results of a "Gallup Poll."

    The reporter said it was more a case of the quiet words of e-mailers reacting to Sunday's defeat.

    "There's nothing quiet with e-mails or on blogs," he said.
    ...
    The media session soon ended. As Childress walked past an old sportswriter, he offered this sentence of advice:

    "Don't look at those blogs."
    At least he knows we exist...
    Since when is PPO a blog?

    =Z=
    PPO is news, blog and community discussion.

    You should know the general term "blog" is now bandied about by lesser knowledgeable about most sites with commentary.

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    Re: I don't think Childress likes PP.O...

    "Ragnarok" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    The day a coach listens to the average idiot fan is the day they should resign.
    You look at the espn coaches poll and the support is on a week by week basis based on W/L.


    Hmmm, was Coughlin a good coach in 2007?
    Let's look at the idiot base: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=35

    How about Sean Payton in '07? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=42
    The idiots wouldn't have given him the extension like he received this year.

    What about Wade Phillips in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=33
    Wow, I bet the girls fans wished the fans had control over whether he should walk or stay.

    What about Brad Childress in '07?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=52
    Look at the foresight of the average fan, week to week?

    How about Lovie Smith in '08? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=38
    That is a sure sign of idiocy.

    Look at the posts on this board where fans wear their emotions on their sleeves.
    Any coach worth having as a coach would treat these polls as kaka del rio, unless for some reason they want to base their career off of what some teenager and unscientific poll says.


    +1

    I'll put fan-based "Fire so-and-so" Interweb petitions in this discussion as well.
    Completely worthless, but a time-killer!
    People laugh at those...they are almost universally worthless except to make the petitioner feel important that people agree with him.

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