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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Where are all the people who stated over and over again that drafting a "franchise LT" would make us a better team?

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    2011, 3 wins all year
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    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Where are all the people who stated over and over again that drafting a "franchise LT" would make us a better team?

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    This was the right choice for Minnesota, despite wide receiver Justin Blackmon and cornerback Morris Claiborne, two players drafted immediately after Kalil, being available to the Vikings. In six starts for Jacksonville, Blackmon is third on the team with 18 catches for 193 yards. Claiborne has an interception and 19 tackles in seven starts for the Cowboys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Been saying that all along. It does get tough trying to hit a receiver when all 22 players are within 10 yards of the LOS.

    Previously, I blamed Musgrave & the lack of receivers for not stretching the field enough to give Ponder a chance.

    Now I'm starting to believe that the reason they don't do it is because Ponder's accuracy goes right out the window outside of that 10 yard box.

    He's 54% 11-20 yards, 31% 20-30 yards & 0% on 3 attempts over 30 yards.

    Again, Ponder's comfort zone & biggest success is in behind the LOS passes & 0-5 yard passes, so that along with Harvin's ability to get great yards after the catch, is why you're seeing Musgrave call those types of throws & why Harvin is the primary target. K-Rudd has great hands but doesn't net the same kind of YAC, so we are seeing him get thrown to less & less & Harvin more.
    To be fair this is how I see it too. Ponder has lost confidence in all aspects, himself the team the coaches. I want to see him succeed but the team is bigger than one player and now is not too early to see if we need to concentrate the scouting teams on QBs for the draft next year. Give the others a go and they fall into the dirt then at least we are prepared to fix it next year.

    We made this mistake before with Chilly at the helm why so it again makes no sense. Musgrave needs to go for sure, votes not in on Frasier yet and Ponder must realise that his time as starter is running out, the tv crews certainly knew it with regular checks on what Webb was doing on the sideline.

    This season is effectively over, as has been stated we are who we thought we were, propping up the NFC North with 3 other very strong teams above us. Lets cut our losses and find out what we need to do for next year. And for whoever said Allen has to go... Really!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    He's 54% 11-20 yards, 31% 20-30 yards & 0% on 3 attempts over 30 yards.
    So how do those number match up with other guys in the league like
    Rodgers 56% 11-20 and 38% 21-30
    Cutler 49% 11-20 and 32% 21-30
    Stafford 45% 11-20 and 23% 21-30

    Just thought we should get some idea of how the other guys in our own division are doing in that 11-30 zone, not going into the 30+ just cause Ponder is a big zero there and its also just as small amount of the actual throws by any of the guys. I guess just based on those numbers he's right in the running with the other guys but based on yesterday games I thought he should have been on the bench in the 4th quarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    It's actually the same on the top half & bottom half of each side also, only the top half has the text upside down, so no matter which way he picks up the card he can read all his plays.
    Lol. Good one.
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    Ponder is not totally to blame for total lack of offense but he is a big problem right now. He stinks as of right now and you can't doctor it up any other way. Lack of wide receivers sure but I have seen him miss so many passes as of late within 4 yards of the los. What is the excuse for that? I was Ponder's biggest supporter going since we got him, but I must call a spade a spade and admit when he's playing terrible and it's right now.
    I bet you could use a cool one huh Clark...Now you're talkin Eddie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    I agree almost in total. But what this organization needs to do is continue to draft talent to fix the wholes. Right now our issues are at WR and DL.

    Fix those through the draft (Spielman can do that) and get a coaching staff in that can lead this team and your problem will be solved. Not over night mind you, but it would get better as the year goes on, not worse.

    Again, you switch Ponder to that side of the ball with those weapons and put that youngster on our side of the ball without those weaponse and we would be having the same conversation.

    Again, its not the QB. Its the staff and the need to add a few more pieces.

    On a side note, I would have loved to see Childs growing with this team or perhaps to still have Sidney or V-jax as an option for Ponder with Percy, Rudy and AD.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Who is he supposed to be throwing to?

    Again, I'd love to see what you do when your back foot hits its third step and you have 2 or 3 defensemen in your grill or when you do have the opportunity to hit your 3rd, 5th and 7th step and no one is open, then have to start scrambling until someone can get open.

    Seriously, no offense intended, but why that is being missed by posters like you amazes me.
    Well for starters, wide open running backs in the backfield or a wide receiver behind the line of scrimmage would be a great start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    i didn't hate him. I don't watch college ball so i couldn't judge him one way or the other. I was concerned about what several of the "talking heads" were saying about his lack of long ball accuracy & his habit of floating the ball.

    I spoke out against posters who were defending him with the very same things we were using to defend a young t-jack, that were ridiculed as poor excuses for his play. The ole double standard.

    We do need better/faster receivers that can get open faster & get better separation, but just like jackson, it looks as if he's hesitant to throw the ball in tighter coverage & is waiting for greater separation.

    He was 50% on his passes yesterday. That's not a result of receivers not getting open. Several of those passes were off target.

    The thing i'm starting to believe is that he isn't that accurate on mid-range & longer passes (passes longer than 10 yards) & can't hit receivers in stride, thus the reason you don't see screens & a lot of other type pass plays being called.

    musgrave is simply calling more of the plays that ponder can make most of the time, which is the bubble pass & 0-5 yard dumps.


    exactly, and teams know this and in the past four weeks have taken it away from ponder. They have taken away the flats and the short game and are telling ponder he can't consistently beat us down the field. They've taken ponders safety blanket away and musgrave has not adjusted or he also has no confidence in ponder throwing the ball down the field more than 5 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Fire Frazier
    Fire Musgrove
    Keep the D-coord(unless you can find someone better - shouldn't be hard)
    Get me a big Warpig in the middle
    Get me two WR's.

    Until that happens, we are going to continue to look like we've done the last few weeks.

    Again, one more time, just to make sure.....

    Fire Frazier
    Fire Musgrove
    Keep the D-coord (unless you can find someone better - shouldn't be hard)
    Get me a big Warpig in the middle
    Get me two WR's.
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    Quote marrdro 10/8/2012

    What a game.

    Props.....

    Coaching staff, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Our second best S goes out and you send in the 3rd best S and he shines. A pleasant surprise to say the least. Your best S goes out for a penalty and your 4th best S steps in and although he didn't make any standout plays (until that late tackle for loss ) the defense doesn't miss a beat.

    That my friends equates to "Coaching". Not a bunch of vets holding rookies hands. Coaching and I'm buying into it totally.

    In short, coach Frazier, I'm on board for the long haul.
    Seriously, marr?
    With that drastic a flip flop in that short a time period I am of the opinion you will be spending your AARP years performing as a damn fine politician.

    As you know, our current slide cooincides with your proclamation of commendation for this coaching staff. I am holding you responsible for the current Viking state of affairs.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowinapril View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marstc09 View Post
    For some reason I am on the same page as Marrdro. I would like to add that are CBs still suck. Been preaching for better talent there for years. Still nothing!
    They looked ok early on in the season. I think the loss of Cook shows that our depth falls off the chart.
    This...before Cook went down our secondary was actually playing quite well. I'm most concerned about ponder and whatever the hell happened to him. He is truly our weakest link right now.

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