I agree almost in total. But what this organization needs to do is continue to draft talent to fix the wholes. Right now our issues are at WR and DL.
Originally Posted by Purple Floyd
Fix those through the draft (Spielman can do that) and get a coaching staff in that can lead this team and your problem will be solved. Not over night mind you, but it would get better as the year goes on, not worse.
Again, you switch Ponder to that side of the ball with those weapons and put that youngster on our side of the ball without those weaponse and we would be having the same conversation.
Again, its not the QB. Its the staff and the need to add a few more pieces.
On a side note, I would have loved to see Childs growing with this team or perhaps to still have Sidney or V-jax as an option for Ponder with Percy, Rudy and AD.
Who is he supposed to be throwing to?
Originally Posted by Reignman
Again, I'd love to see what you do when your back foot hits its third step and you have 2 or 3 defensemen in your grill or when you do have the opportunity to hit your 3rd, 5th and 7th step and no one is open, then have to start scrambling until someone can get open.
Seriously, no offense intended, but why that is being missed by posters like you amazes me.
Is he worse or does he appear to be worse because our offense is so lame even a 3rd grader can come up with a scheme against it?
Originally Posted by Purple Floyd
Please, don't get me going on our defense......
Originally Posted by Reignman
Oh wait, why not......
Jared needs to go. K-dubb needs to go. Fred Evans needs to go. The whole "Rotation" idea that I almost bought into needs to go.
Sacks be damned......This DL is a mess and isn't getting any better.
What the hell!?
I'm trying, but I"m not actually disagreeing with anything in your first post.
To paraphrase the great Denny Green: "We are, who we thought we are"
The 5-2 Vikings were pretenders. The 5-4 Vikings are for real.
We are not a good team. We thrived when we could exploit weaknesses, not be exploited. We haven't shown any ability to adjust at all.
People who need to go ASAP!
We simply don't make adjustments and don't develop players.
We have talented players at some positions, but we've blatantly ignored others.
I think the problem is we went into this year with the expectation of a rebuilding year. THat's why picking a LT made sense. Get some pieces together and make a run in two years. However, starting out hot, beating the 49ers got us thinking playffs. We're simply not a playoff team. We can't compete.
The Packers look unstoppable, the Bears just put up 51 points on the Titans. THe Lions are getting better. We're just not going to do it.
What I want to see happen is some big offseason moves. GET RID OF MUSGRAVE. Honestly I don't have an issue with Fraizer, but he's not ideal. He doesn't call plays, and he's a defensive guy, so I don't really hold him 100% accountable for our terrible offensive playcalling. We're simply not calling plays to make our offense work.
I mean fuck, when you have a guy run for 180 yards and still not win? Something is wrong.
I don't agree with that. Most of the time its the QB that makes the WR look good. A very good QB can make a average WR look like a pro bowler. Look at what Favre did with below average WR's in GB in his heyday. Look at what Rodgers does with guys like Crabtree, Jones, and guys like that. You think Tom Crabtree would play this good with Ponder as his QB? I highly doubt it.
Originally Posted by Marrdro
Harvin is a great talent, he proved himself in college, and also in the NFL. If a QB gets the ball anywhere near him, he is going to make a play on it, its what he does, he is that good. I believe Harvin has made Ponder look much better early on than what he really was. This is the real Christian Ponder, not the guy we saw in the first few games. He looks exactly like he did when he had the chances to play last season.
So maybe if the Vikings had another very good WR or 2, they might be able to make Ponder look half way decent. All I know is that if anyone really thinks that Ponder has the tools to be a very good QB, they obviously don't know the game. Luck in Indy doesn't have a very good offensive line, but he plays well week in and week out. He is a true franchise QB, Ponder is nothing even close.
Ever watch how many WRs are on the field as apposed to TE's on the field? A heavy dose of 23 and 24 sets makes it pretty hard for WR's to do anything.
Originally Posted by VikesfaninWis
Additionally, a heavy dose of 23 and 24 sets shrinks everything down into the box. Sure you have alot of "skilled" players blocking along with your OL, but it still shrinks the box.
Of course we can ignore the obvious in that and continue to blame the QB for cripes sake.
During a spell there, the Offense did move the ball late in the quarter, had the quarter change and then held the ball for over 4 minutes into the next quarter and the defense still looked like shit when they came out on the field.
Originally Posted by TheAnimal93
Not buying the "Offense isn't on the field long enough" story. I am buying that the defense should be getting off the field more often and giving the young offense more chances instead of lesssssssss.
Oh come one, there were more than enough plays where he had the time to throw and he'd air mail a pass nowhere near the receiver. How bout that roll out that he zipped 5 yards behind the receiver? Sid Rice had a nice roll out and hit his target in stride. I've seen a pattern of shitty passes the past few weeks. I've cut him some slack because of the turn stile offensive line and lack of targets, but sometimes he has plenty of time and he still misses his target badly.
When you compare him to his peers, he's way behind. Luck, RG3, and Wilson all look better than Ponder at this point. He's no better than Gabbert and Gabbert is working with even fewer weapons. How can you have a back like AP who draws all the attention and still not be able to throw for 100yds?
I agree most of the blame falls on Frazier and Musgrave, but lets stop giving Ponder a pass like he's some special needs kid.
Where are all the people who stated over and over again that drafting a "franchise LT" would make us a better team?