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    Re: Hypothetical QB Question

    Didn't read the article, but I can guess what it's talking about.

    I still think you have to stick with TJ.
    There's no future in Kelly at all, and juggling quarterbacks never works out right.
    Stick with the kid and let him grow.
    Hell, they gave up on Brees in two years, but he seemed to do pretty well once he got into the groove.
    TJ has only had a very few games to learn, so...we'll suffer along with him on the chance that he'll mature into something special.

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    Re: Hypothetical QB Question

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    He also has a responsibility to Wilf for the betterment of this team for both the near and the far.
    Wouldn't we be right back in the same boat (scuse the pun) next year with TJ under center, still raw and inexperienced?

    Wouldn't ticket sales still slip?

    At some point the kid (or another kid) will have to play, struggle doing it, for the team to have a long term solution at QB or are we saying that we want to always have a rent a QB running this team?
    Maybe.
    Maybe not.
    Last year, TJack spent nearly the entire season on the practice squad learning.
    He may have gotten the terms and plays down, but didn't get any veteran mentoring.
    The plan was always to let him learn for a couple of years.
    Then he was thrust into the starting role by BJ sucking and BB getting hurt.

    If Holcomb shows he can lead the team to wins, then I think it would be beneficial for TJack to sit as the #2 (instead of the #3) and absorb some of the veteran's knowledge.
    Next season he would be more prepared to lead the team.
    And if we post a winning record, then ticket sales would pick up again.

    Again, I am not anti-TJ.
    In fact, I think he will be a great QB.
    But if we currently stand a better chance to win with Holcomb under center, then so be it.
    For now...
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    Re: Hypothetical QB Question

    "PurpleTide" wrote:
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    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    Scenario 1

    Holcumb plays well,and he will, Tarvaris gets time to heal up completely.Sits until a game where Holcumb struggles. Tarvaris comes off the bench.

    Scenario 2

    Holcumb plays well, but gets yanked when Tarvaris is ready to go.

    Scenario 3





















    Holcumb stinks. Tarvaris returns as soon as possible.

    Scenario 4

    Holcumb stinks. Bollinger comes in. Wilf goes ballistic. PP.O server has meltdown.

    I like scenario 1 best.
    I like this one best.

    They fix the fricken OL so that they can block someone.


    Our QB's have time to stand in the pocket while our WR's and TE's (who by the way would then be able to run a route vice blocking all the time) work the seams and get open.


    Our QB's start making completions, our Offense starts to click and all the scheme haters crawl back into thier holes.

    ;D

    Set em Straight Marrdro
    I never said there was anything wrong with the scheme.
    The problem is as follows.
    TJ has to complete some of those downfield passes despite the pressure, or the line is going to get challenged with blitzes and overloads. Even if the line plays well they can't stop the pressure until TJ can start making the defense pay for their gambles by burning them with completions.
    So yes the line stinks at times,.But TJ needs to help them. He needs to do what Tom Brady did to us last year. Make the read and the throw before the pressure can get there.
    The scheme is fine. TJ is not Tom Brady.......yet!
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    The thing that I can't figure out is why do so many people seem to think Jackson is this great QB or that he has this great future here??? He has done NOTHING to warrant any of this other than the Vikings used a 2nd round draft pick on him. People only usually reserve this high of expectations for a high first round pick. Even when they drafted him, people said he wasn't ready, he was a project and he might eventually be a good NFL QB. That's fine......but throwing him to the wolves before he is ready is a recipe for disaster both for him and the rest of the team.

    So far, he doesn't look like he is even close to being ready to being a decent NFL QB, much less "The Franchise." I think people WANT him to be successful and they HOPE he is successful, but that isn't a good enough reason to be our starting QB. I am all in favor of giving Holcomb a shot and he should be our starting QB for as long as he can get the job done.

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    The thing that I can't figure out is why do so many people seem to think Jackson is this great QB or that he has this great future here??? He has done NOTHING to warrant any of this other than the Vikings used a 2nd round draft pick on him. People only usually reserve this high of expectations for a high first round pick. Even when they drafted him, people said he wasn't ready, he was a project and he might eventually be a good NFL QB. That's fine......but throwing him to the wolves before he is ready is a recipe for disaster both for him and the rest of the team.

    So far, he doesn't look like he is even close to being ready to being a decent NFL QB, much less "The Franchise." I think people WANT him to be successful and they HOPE he is successful, but that isn't a good enough reason to be our starting QB. I am all in favor of giving Holcomb a shot and he should be our starting QB for as long as he can get the job done.
    There in denial, nuff said.

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    I have no problem with Jolcomb as our QB if he plays well, allowing Tarvaris not only to heal, but get his head together and learn a little. There should, however, be an understanding that this is still T-Jack's future position. It would not be right to throw T-Jack to the wolves right now (although without Garnett, maybe they could use him too). I think that Tarvaris could still learn a little and grow while Holcomb leads us to better chances to win now. T-Jack should still be the future of this position in Vikingland if not the now.

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    Re: Hypothetical QB Question

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    He also has a responsibility to Wilf for the betterment of this team for both the near and the far.

    Wouldn't we be right back in the same boat (scuse the pun) next year with TJ under center, still raw and inexperienced?

    Wouldn't ticket sales still slip?

    At some point the kid (or another kid) will have to play, struggle doing it, for the team to have a long term solution at QB or are we saying that we want to always have a rent a QB running this team?
    Maybe.
    Maybe not.
    Last year, TJack spent nearly the entire season on the practice squad learning.
    He may have gotten the terms and plays down, but didn't get any veteran mentoring.
    The plan was always to let him learn for a couple of years.
    Then he was thrust into the starting role by BJ sucking and BB getting hurt.

    If Holcomb shows he can lead the team to wins, then I think it would be beneficial for TJack to sit as the #2 (instead of the #3) and absorb some of the veteran's knowledge.
    Next season he would be more prepared to lead the team.
    And if we post a winning record, then ticket sales would pick up again.
    Taking his job away because of injury, rather than performance, could possibly go a long way to undermining TJack's confidence for the long-term.
    If he struggles and his pulled, that's hugely different from losing the job because you got pulled the wrong direction evading a sack.

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    Re: Hypothetical QB Question

    "Angel_Martin" wrote:
    The thing that I can't figure out is why do so many people seem to think Jackson is this great QB or that he has this great future here??? He has done NOTHING to warrant any of this other than the Vikings used a 2nd round draft pick on him. People only usually reserve this high of expectations for a high first round pick. Even when they drafted him, people said he wasn't ready, he was a project and he might eventually be a good NFL QB. That's fine......but throwing him to the wolves before he is ready is a recipe for disaster both for him and the rest of the team.

    So far, he doesn't look like he is even close to being ready to being a decent NFL QB, much less "The Franchise." I think people WANT him to be successful and they HOPE he is successful, but that isn't a good enough reason to be our starting QB. I am all in favor of giving Holcomb a shot and he should be our starting QB for as long as he can get the job done.
    Hmmmmmmm.
    Seems to me that the only people who use the term "Great" and "TJ" in the same sentence are the TJ haters.

    As far as he hasn't shown "NOTHING" to prove that he doesn't have potential I think is a bit short sighted on your part.
    With the exception of 4 plays last week (4 Int) he has done nothing to prove one way or the other yet.
    In fact he has shown us exactly what all of us TJ supporters know and that is the fact that he is raw, inexperienced and still needs time to get to the point were he can manage a game and not loose a game for us.

    With that said, I still think he has the potential to be a very good QB that will be a good fit for this scheme if he is given the time and opportunity to get the reps/experience to get there.

    With that in mind I would like to point out that there are two thought processes behind how he should get that experience.
    Some believe he should sit on the bench and learn via old school methods of watching.
    The other thought is to have him learn under fire.


    I am one of those that believe in learning by doing.
    Am I right?
    Who knows.

    On a side note, I have high expectations for all of our players regardless of how they wound up on the roster.
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    "Nightgaunt" wrote:
    "Angel_Martin" wrote:
    The thing that I can't figure out is why do so many people seem to think Jackson is this great QB or that he has this great future here??? He has done NOTHING to warrant any of this other than the Vikings used a 2nd round draft pick on him. People only usually reserve this high of expectations for a high first round pick. Even when they drafted him, people said he wasn't ready, he was a project and he might eventually be a good NFL QB. That's fine......but throwing him to the wolves before he is ready is a recipe for disaster both for him and the rest of the team.

    So far, he doesn't look like he is even close to being ready to being a decent NFL QB, much less "The Franchise." I think people WANT him to be successful and they HOPE he is successful, but that isn't a good enough reason to be our starting QB. I am all in favor of giving Holcomb a shot and he should be our starting QB for as long as he can get the job done.
    There in denial, nuff said.
    In denial huh.
    I would love to address that comment but I might get the green dot.

    Suffice it to say that a quick search on your posts shows a very interesting treand
    with respect to your though processes and who is really in denial my friend.

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