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    How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    As we all know, the Minnesota Vikings, outside the ownership and direction of Zygi and Mark Wilf, have largely been run by a three-headed committee: Brad Childress, Rick Spielman, and Rob Brzezinski. Unlike most other teams, there is no actual GM (although many see Spielman at times as such, he doesn't actually hold the title or in fact the authority that comes with it), and the three are given their respective positions and powers and expected to work together towards the goal of the betterment of the team.
    How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    One of the best articles I've seen written on how the Triadthingamajib (Looks like this guy calls it the Triumvirate) works both before and after the Chiller.

    Leslie Frazier- The most ‘unknown' in this group. As Head Coach, he seems to have been given free reign over building the coaching staff, and while they are an untested group, so far things look good. As mentioned above, Frazier does not have the authority over the roster that Childress did.
    .....snip....

    His role in the leadership again seems to be control over the coaching staff as well as the plays on the field. How much say he will have in player acquisitions is a bit of an unknown, but it would be extremely unreasonable to believe he won't have at least some say in that.
    Rick Spielman- ...snip......often seen as a de facto GM, his technical title is Vice President of Player Personnel. A former scout, he has largely had the authority and responsibility of acquiring players, both through FA and the draft. This caused some head-butting with former head coach Brad Childress, most notably with the acquisition/ release of Sage Rosenfals and Randy Moss.

    ....snip.....His role does not seem to have changed with the Childress-Frazier transition, and how much role Frazier will have compared to him in future roster changes remains to be seen.
    Rob Brzezinski- .....snip......in which he has the duty and authority to negotiate contracts for the players and keep the Minnesota Vikings under the salary cap. This means that Leslie Frazier can suggest a player he wants and Rick Spielman can go about getting him- but if Rob Brzezinski and that player/agent can't come to terms, tough luck.

    While this kind of potential problem hasn't ever manifested itself, there's no denying the possibility, as well as the further chance that it has happened and we simply haven't heard about it. For example- Spielman might have acquired Randy Moss, and Childress might have waived him- but it's entirely possible Brzezinski is the reason Moss was never signed to a long term contract right off the bat regardless. So when we are all discussing the contract situations regarding players such as Sydney Rice, Ray Edwards, Chad Greenway, and Adrian Peterson- keep in mind that at that point, it's in Brzezinski's hands.
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    Re: How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1090731
    As we all know, the Minnesota Vikings, outside the ownership and direction of Zygi and Mark Wilf, have largely been run by a three-headed committee: Brad Childress, Rick Spielman, and Rob Brzezinski. Unlike most other teams, there is no actual GM (although many see Spielman at times as such, he doesn't actually hold the title or in fact the authority that comes with it), and the three are given their respective positions and powers and expected to work together towards the goal of the betterment of the team.
    How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    One of the best articles I've seen written on how the Triadthingamajib (Looks like this guy calls it the Triumvirate) works both before and after the Chiller.

    Leslie Frazier- The most ‘unknown' in this group. As Head Coach, he seems to have been given free reign over building the coaching staff, and while they are an untested group, so far things look good. As mentioned above, Frazier does not have the authority over the roster that Childress did.
    .....snip....

    His role in the leadership again seems to be control over the coaching staff as well as the plays on the field. How much say he will have in player acquisitions is a bit of an unknown, but it would be extremely unreasonable to believe he won't have at least some say in that.
    Rick Spielman- ...snip......often seen as a de facto GM, his technical title is Vice President of Player Personnel. A former scout, he has largely had the authority and responsibility of acquiring players, both through FA and the draft. This caused some head-butting with former head coach Brad Childress, most notably with the acquisition/ release of Sage Rosenfals and Randy Moss.

    ....snip.....His role does not seem to have changed with the Childress-Frazier transition, and how much role Frazier will have compared to him in future roster changes remains to be seen.
    Rob Brzezinski- .....snip......in which he has the duty and authority to negotiate contracts for the players and keep the Minnesota Vikings under the salary cap. This means that Leslie Frazier can suggest a player he wants and Rick Spielman can go about getting him- but if Rob Brzezinski and that player/agent can't come to terms, tough luck.

    While this kind of potential problem hasn't ever manifested itself, there's no denying the possibility, as well as the further chance that it has happened and we simply haven't heard about it. For example- Spielman might have acquired Randy Moss, and Childress might have waived him- but it's entirely possible Brzezinski is the reason Moss was never signed to a long term contract right off the bat regardless. So when we are all discussing the contract situations regarding players such as Sydney Rice, Ray Edwards, Chad Greenway, and Adrian Peterson- keep in mind that at that point, it's in Brzezinski's hands.
    It appears this article was written by a fan with no special insight. How much stock can you put into it? Just another person's opinion, right or wrong.

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    Re: How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1090733
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1090731
    As we all know, the Minnesota Vikings, outside the ownership and direction of Zygi and Mark Wilf, have largely been run by a three-headed committee: Brad Childress, Rick Spielman, and Rob Brzezinski. Unlike most other teams, there is no actual GM (although many see Spielman at times as such, he doesn't actually hold the title or in fact the authority that comes with it), and the three are given their respective positions and powers and expected to work together towards the goal of the betterment of the team.
    How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    One of the best articles I've seen written on how the Triadthingamajib (Looks like this guy calls it the Triumvirate) works both before and after the Chiller.

    Leslie Frazier- The most ‘unknown' in this group. As Head Coach, he seems to have been given free reign over building the coaching staff, and while they are an untested group, so far things look good. As mentioned above, Frazier does not have the authority over the roster that Childress did.
    .....snip....

    His role in the leadership again seems to be control over the coaching staff as well as the plays on the field. How much say he will have in player acquisitions is a bit of an unknown, but it would be extremely unreasonable to believe he won't have at least some say in that.
    Rick Spielman- ...snip......often seen as a de facto GM, his technical title is Vice President of Player Personnel. A former scout, he has largely had the authority and responsibility of acquiring players, both through FA and the draft. This caused some head-butting with former head coach Brad Childress, most notably with the acquisition/ release of Sage Rosenfals and Randy Moss.

    ....snip.....His role does not seem to have changed with the Childress-Frazier transition, and how much role Frazier will have compared to him in future roster changes remains to be seen.
    Rob Brzezinski- .....snip......in which he has the duty and authority to negotiate contracts for the players and keep the Minnesota Vikings under the salary cap. This means that Leslie Frazier can suggest a player he wants and Rick Spielman can go about getting him- but if Rob Brzezinski and that player/agent can't come to terms, tough luck.

    While this kind of potential problem hasn't ever manifested itself, there's no denying the possibility, as well as the further chance that it has happened and we simply haven't heard about it. For example- Spielman might have acquired Randy Moss, and Childress might have waived him- but it's entirely possible Brzezinski is the reason Moss was never signed to a long term contract right off the bat regardless. So when we are all discussing the contract situations regarding players such as Sydney Rice, Ray Edwards, Chad Greenway, and Adrian Peterson- keep in mind that at that point, it's in Brzezinski's hands.
    It appears this article was written by a fan with no special insight. How much stock can you put into it? Just another person's opinion, right or wrong.
    Got to agree...no new information here. Just a lot of supposition and speculation.

    FWIW, I never like the Triumvirate...I'd prefer a GM.

    Caine

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    Re: How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1090735
    Got to agree...no new information here. Just a lot of supposition and speculation.

    FWIW, I never like the Triumvirate...I'd prefer a GM.

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    lot easier as then the responsibility falls squarely on one person as opposed to playing " who shall we blame ?"
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    Re: How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by "AngloVike" #1090738
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1090735
    Got to agree...no new information here. Just a lot of supposition and speculation.

    FWIW, I never like the Triumvirate...I'd prefer a GM.

    Caine
    lot easier as then the responsibility falls squarely on one person as opposed to playing " who shall we blame ?"
    Especially with an inexperienced ownership group, having a strong GM makes a lot of sense. As pointed out earlier, Zygi obviously wants to keep a hand in things. He now has multiple people on the staff reporting to him vs. just one.

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    Re: How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1090740
    Quote Originally Posted by "AngloVike" #1090738
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1090735
    Got to agree...no new information here. Just a lot of supposition and speculation.

    FWIW, I never like the Triumvirate...I'd prefer a GM.

    Caine
    lot easier as then the responsibility falls squarely on one person as opposed to playing " who shall we blame ?"
    Especially with an inexperienced ownership group, having a strong GM makes a lot of sense. As pointed out earlier, Zygi obviously wants to keep a hand in things. He now has multiple people on the staff reporting to him vs. just one.
    Yup. That's been my biggest criticism of Zygi since he took over. He's simply NOT a football guy, but he's making decisions as though he was...and it's costing us. Chiller is a great example.

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    Re: How Will The Minnesota Vikings' Triumvirate Fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1090752
    Quote Originally Posted by "tastywaves" #1090740
    Quote Originally Posted by "AngloVike" #1090738
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1090735
    Got to agree...no new information here. Just a lot of supposition and speculation.

    FWIW, I never like the Triumvirate...I'd prefer a GM.

    Caine
    lot easier as then the responsibility falls squarely on one person as opposed to playing " who shall we blame ?"
    Especially with an inexperienced ownership group, having a strong GM makes a lot of sense. As pointed out earlier, Zygi obviously wants to keep a hand in things. He now has multiple people on the staff reporting to him vs. just one.
    Yup. That's been my biggest criticism of Zygi since he took over. He's simply NOT a football guy, but he's making decisions as though he was...and it's costing us. Chiller is a great example.

    Caine
    Agreed.

    IMHO there needs to be a more defined chain of command in the structure but it does look like Frazier has less of a Napoleonic complex than Childress did so it has a better chance of working out.

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