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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    Yeah. The way he stepped up and returned that punt....err....kickoff....errr...interception....e rrr for a TD against the Giants to kick-start the Vikes comeback was inspirational.
    Well, considering that
    -when you average out all 10 games Johnson played in last season only 2 starting QBs in the whole NFC performed better than him (and he performed better than 3 in the Pro Bowl)
    -what he had to work with last season as far as O line, receivers, running game, system, and coaching,
    -having gone up against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th ranked defenses in the NFL

    I'd say yeah it wasn't flashy but sure was inspirational when you look at what was accomplished.

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    It kills me when people try to compare the two QBs based on last year's records...Just using the win-loss record is like saying.l..
    It's not just the win-loss record. One had twice as many interceptions as touchdowns and the other had four times as many touchdowns as interceptions (and that's not counting the fumbles.)

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

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    Len Dawson – KC – 1
    Ken Stabler – Oakland – 1
    Jim Plunkett – Oak – 2
    Joe Theismann – Wash – 1
    Jim McMahon – Chi -1
    Phil Simms – NY Giants – 1
    Doug Williams – Wash – 1
    Jeff Hostetler – NYG – 1
    Mark Rypien – Wash – 1
    Add Brad's name to that list. Even with the pass to himself and the superbowl ring, he isn't any better off than these guys on this list.

    That list with the exception of maybe Williams, Hostetler, and Rypien (matter of opinion) is a list of solid players that put some consistant years together on the field as starters for their teams.

    McMahon always seems to be more of a legend than a great player.

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    Brad is not sensational, that is why everyone doubts him. He is phenomanally efficient, getting things done slowly; no explosions, but no implosions.

    Brad will be fine next year. He has receivers, will have a running game, and has an oline. We need to be a physical defense if we are going to make the super bowl, so let's just hope we play fast.
    We can solve poverty today.

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    "fromos" wrote:
    -having gone up against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th ranked defenses in the NFL

    I'd say yeah it wasn't flashy but sure was inspirational when you look at what was accomplished.
    What? Oh man, you are looking at a purely statistical ranking. Probably the one at ESPN. That one has Green Bay listed as the 7th best defense of 2005 :shock:!

    There are a lot of different methods out there for ranking defenses, and most of the assign some type of weighted estimate based on the team's opponents. Here are the games Brad started with a weighted estimate from Football Outsiders. Obviously that will vary a little between sources, but it will stay generally the same.

    Detroit - W (#22 ranked defense)
    N.Y. Giants - W (#5 ranked defense)
    Green Bay - W (#21 ranked defense)
    Cleveland - W (#23 ranked defense)
    Detroit - W (#22 ranked defense)
    St. Louis - W (#27 ranked defense)
    Pittsburgh - L (#6 ranked defense)
    Baltimore - L (#8 ranked defense)
    Chicago - W (#2 ranked defense - although most of the starters sat)

    The only two quality defenses that we won with BJ starting were the Giants (a game our offense never scored in) and Chicago (when the playoff picture was locked and most of the starters sat).

    Just for informational sake, here are the games Daunte started:

    Tampa Bay - L (#15 ranked defense)
    Cincinnati - L (#24 ranked defense)
    New Orleans - W (#25 ranked defense)
    Atlanta - L (#30 ranked defense)
    Chicago - L (#2 ranked defense)
    Green Bay - W (#21 ranked defense)
    Carolina - L (#1 ranked defense)

    I am excited for the new season under BJ. I have both high hopes and high expectations for the team, and BJ is a key part of the team.

    But I just can't force myself to believe that he is one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game, no can I accept the fact that he was solely responsible for out turn around last year.
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    Detroit - W (#22 ranked defense)
    N.Y. Giants - W (#5 ranked defense)
    Green Bay - W (#21 ranked defense)
    Cleveland - W (#23 ranked defense)
    Detroit - W (#22 ranked defense)
    St. Louis - W (#27 ranked defense)
    Pittsburgh - L (#6 ranked defense)
    Baltimore - L (#8 ranked defense)
    Chicago - W (#2 ranked defense - although most of the starters sat)

    The only two quality defenses that we won with BJ starting were the Giants (a game our offense never scored in) and Chicago (when the playoff picture was locked and most of the starters sat).

    Just for informational sake, here are the games Daunte started:

    Tampa Bay - L (#15 ranked defense)
    Cincinnati - L (#24 ranked defense)
    New Orleans - W (#25 ranked defense)
    Atlanta - L (#30 ranked defense)
    Chicago - L (#2 ranked defense)
    Green Bay - W (#21 ranked defense)
    Carolina - L (#1 ranked defense)

    But I just can't force myself to believe that he is one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game, no can I accept the fact that he was solely responsible for out turn around last year.
    Those W/L records against the good and bad teams look like a team issue, not a QB issue.

    This is why I cut DC slack last year for his performances. Blame him if you want.

    BTW, that was a good post Nodak!

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    hes a good qb just wish he was 10 years younger =)

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    hes a good qb just wish he was 10 years younger =)

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    What? Oh man, you are looking at a purely statistical ranking. Probably the one at ESPN. That one has Green Bay listed as the 7th best defense of 2005 !
    I'm going by the NFL's rankings:
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4

    It's ranked by yards given up. Green Bay's defense did a very good job, only 6 other teams gave up less yards. The problem was Favre kept throwing up interceptions and putting their defense in poor field position.

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    I'll never forget the feeling of doom when he went down in 98. Boy was I ever wrong Comeback Cash Cunningham was all over it baby!

    A successful coach needs a patient wife, loyal dog, and great quarterback - and not necessarily in that order. -- Bud Grant

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