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    Re: Brad Johnson (For those who dont know )

    "Foranzan" wrote:
    If he gets a Super Bowl ring in Minnesota, he shouldn't have much trouble getting in.

    But then there lies the question

    Does he go into the Hall of Fame as a Viking or a Buc? (or can they do both?)
    I think Brad needs to do more to be considered a Hall of Famer. He either needs to be in the top 20 or 30 statistically all time in Passing yards, TDs, etc. or he needs another Super Bowl or two. If you look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks of the last few years, you have guys like Aikman who was good, had good (but not great) numbers and won three Super Bowls, or Dan Marino/Warren Moon who had great numbers but no Super Bowls. You need one or the other, or you need to be above average in both. Brad has a Super Bowl, but doesn't have the numbers to justify it.

    There's no doubt that Brad is/was a very good quarterback, but I don't think his numbers and accomplishments really warrant the HOF.

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    Re: Brad Johnson (For those who dont know )

    If he wins another ring as a Viking he'll be in the HOF.

    Why? Because of his numbers and the fact he will the QB that got the Vikings their first SB win!
    BIG milestone!
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    Re: Brad Johnson (For those who dont know )

    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    If you look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks of the last few years, you have guys like Aikman who was good, had good (but not great) numbers and won three Super Bowls, or Dan Marino/Warren Moon who had great numbers but no Super Bowls.
    Well when he's played he's put up the numbers needed. He already has a better career passer rating than Aikman or Moon (and all but 3 current Hall of Famers) which means as far as TD per attempts, yards per attempts, INT per attempts, and completion rate goes he has the numbers needed.

    The problem is he's played so many years as backup and sat out so many games injured that he hasn't had the amount of attempts necessary to raise his gross yardage and TDs to Moon and Elway's level. He's only played 130 games (and about 14 of them weren't full games), compared to Moon's 208, Elway's 234, and Marino's 242.

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    Who cares!!! That was 4 years ago. Johnson should not be our starting QB he is a washed up bumb and the only reason he won any of those games last season was because of our defense and the field placement he was put it.

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    "purpleFavreEaters" wrote:
    Who cares!!! That was 4 years ago. Johnson should not be our starting QB he is a washed up bumb and the only reason he won any of those games last season was because of our defense and the field placement he was put it.
    Our defense was the 21st ranked defense in the NFL last season:
    http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4
    Since Johnson had the 3rd best passer rating in the NFC last season among starting quarterbacks, that would make for a lot of washed up QBs in the NFC, wouldn't it? Not to mention his passer rating was better than 3 QBs who made it to the Pro Bowl. Washed up? Nah, just underappreciated by some.

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    Right, any team he has ever played for has had a stellar defense nad put him in perfect field position. The 21st ranking of the Vikings defense last year is not very accuarte, it doe not really take in account for the fact our defense pulled it together late in the season which just happened to be the same time we started winning all those games.

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    Not to mention fromos if you are actually trying to say Johnson is better than Aikman or Moon you have to be smoking crack.

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    "Del Rio" wrote:
    Numbers alone will not get you into the HOF you need to stand out. You need to effect the game in a monumentous way.

    There are many guys who have not made it yet, that should based on numbers but sat in the background so much they will never get in.

    Brad Johnson will not be rewarded a HOF spot because he is not in the spotlight. He just shows up does his job and does it well. Society doesn't reward that behavior. Niether does the NFL.
    Good post!

    The question is this, if you asked 10 fans, from random teams, to name the top five (heck top 10) QBs in the NFL right now, I bet BJs name might be mentioned once and it would be at the bottom of the list somewhere. He doesn't stand out and there is a reason for that. He doesn't have huge games on a consistant basis. He is a step backwards from a DC or a PM or a BF, in QB ability. He is a manager of the game.

    How many managers of the game are in the HOF? Few and far between!!

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    Re: He wouldn't last long...

    "purpleFavreEaters" wrote:
    Not to mention fromos if you are actually trying to say Johnson is better than Aikman or Moon you have to be smoking crack.
    Play for play, Johnson has outperformed both Aitkman and Moon and that's a fact no matter how much crack you need to smoke to see it. :thumbright:

    His yards per attempt is higher than both of theirs, interceptions per attempt is about half either of theirs, completion percent is higher than either of theirs (though Aikman comes close), and his touchdowns per attempts is much higher than Aikmans but just a little lower than Moon (.041 vs .043, Aikmans is .035)

    Johnson's outperformed Elway play for play too :idea:
    It's just that he's only played about half the games these other QBs have.

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    Well atleast he isn't crying about his contract!!!
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